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    I'm not even sure what you are trying to distinguish here. It is in union contracts, but can be changed at a moments notice by employers without a union contract. It is a benefit, not a right, at least in non union jobs.
    Uh, so can a wage. Since when is compensation locked in for a non contract employee?

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    Can someone translate WC's last post for me?
    Think outside that box of indoctrination you seem to live in.

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    If un-employment and under-employment is not addressed by stimulating private sector economic growth the argument about employer paid health insurance will become irrelevant. Employees are now having to compete for employers and not the other way around.

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    Think outside that box of indoctrination you seem to live in.
    Sorry, I've been indoctrinated in the language of English and I can't understand people when they don't use the same language. I also read Spanish and I'm currently learning Latin but I don't suspect you know either of those either?

    I'm not sure if I'll ever be fluent in WildCobraese.

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    If un-employment and under-employment is not addressed by stimulating private sector economic growth the argument about employer paid health insurance will become irrelevant. Employees are now having to compete for employers and not the other way around.
    Depends on the field. Unskilled labor is simply ed outside of an alien race kidnapping the countries of China and India for their cheap labor.

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    My Total Compensation Report for 2009 (and before) includes the employer paid portion of the various insurances that I have through them.

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    That would be because its compensation, not a perk.

    Perk = Nice coffee in the break room as opposed to crap coffee (pun intended)

    Compensation = major service company pays for on your behalf.

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    Depends on the field. Unskilled labor is simply ed outside of an alien race kidnapping the countries of China and India for their cheap labor.
    Even skilled labor is going to be ed in our new "big government" economy. You wouldn't believe the calls/resumes I get every day.

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    I would. I'm screening resumes for a position in our practice and I've gotten people with useful degrees applying for what is basically a glorified receptionist. That being said, for some reason I doubt I'll run across any science, engineering, or computer science degrees.

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    I would. I'm screening resumes for a position in our practice and I've gotten people with useful degrees applying for what is basically a glorified receptionist. That being said, for some reason I doubt I'll run across any science, engineering, or computer science degrees.
    Actually, I know of a HIGHLY qualified mechanical engineer with a stellar resume thats been looking here for 6 months...and our job market is better here than the rest of the country.

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    Thats pretty ty for him. Still, Id think you'd agree with the gist of my point.

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    Actually, with the exponential growth in global bandwidth, science, computer, and engineering jobs aren't safe either. They may be managed from the US but the "projects" now rotate around the globe 24/7 to offshore locations as daylight moves around the earth.

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    , Manny...take your degree as an example...do you really think a meteorologist in India can't look at the same satellite data you are looking and come to the same conclusion?

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    cc, there is no bigger big govt economy.

    the job enquiries you get are completely due to the Banksters Great Depression, not big govt. Govt's role was passively enabling and bailing out the banksters, not initiating the Depression.

    But keep up your tea party lies, they have no credibility.l

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    Sure, but the demand for meteorologists and the outlook for it here in the US is strong - especially with graduate degrees. I'm not worried in the least. I wouldn't be worried with an engineering degree or a CS degree either or most other sciences.

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    cc, there is no bigger big govt economy.

    the job enquiries you get are completely due to the Banksters Great Depression, not big govt. Govt's role was passively enabling and bailing out the banksters, not initiating the Depression.

    But keep up your tea party lies, they have no credibility.l
    speaking of lack of credibility...

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    It was a perk before unions made it part of a compensation package. It still is a perk in some industries. You know, plenty of non union jobs offer good health insurance.
    It began during WWII when there were wage freezes; to allow employers a means of attracting employees; Perk/Compensation - Tomato/Tomata.

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    Sure, but the demand for meteorologists and the outlook for it here in the US is strong - especially with graduate degrees. I'm not worried in the least. I wouldn't be worried with an engineering degree or a CS degree either or most other sciences.
    I am in no way questioning your statement and literally asking for my own information...

    Who hires meteorologists? I mean, I know all the TV stations have their own "meteorologists" but lets face it, you have a face for radio...

    Why is there a strong demand for meteorologists with graduate degrees and who hires them?

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    The government is the largest employer by a sizable margin (NOAA, NWS, Military) but there is a large need for them in the private sector too (energy companies are HUGE for this but also think the private forecasting companies).

    Theres a strong demand for meteorologists with graduate degrees simply because we don't graduate many of them.

    I'm planning on grad school and likely going the PhD route because I want to do research.

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    The government is the largest employer by a sizable margin (NOAA, NWS, Military) but there is a large need for them in the private sector too (energy companies are HUGE for this but also think the private forecasting companies).

    Theres a strong demand for meteorologists with graduate degrees simply because we don't graduate many of them.

    I'm planning on grad school and likely going the PhD route because I want to do research.
    cool...good luck!

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    No, we are screws because of union and government involvement.
    I'd actually say that it can't be blamed on any one faction.

    Health care became common and overused. When you are in a group plan that spreads out the cost, people don't control their usage of such plans. If we actually had to thing if we wanted to spend money for a doctor visit, the self restraint would lower cost.
    Agree with you here.

    Frivolous lawsuits are a problem too. Doctors performing more tests and procedures than they otherwise would to reduce the risk of being sues increases costs also.
    Yup. Very true.

    Knowing government to be as it is, I'm sure you can trace overzealous regulations as a cause for added costs as well.
    Certainly.

    That's the thing though; everyone's at fault, and no one's at fault, at the same time.

    You can blame unions for making health insurance mandatory, but you can't blame union workers for wanting to get the best deal they can from their employer, right?

    You can blame doctors for ordering too many tests and driving up the prices for all in said insurance company, but you can't blame them for wanting not to get sued.

    You can blame government for writing too many regulations, but you can't blame them for wanting to protect consumers from quack doctors.

    Etc etc. It's a conglomeration of bad effects but from all fields, with a lack of foresight throughout.

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    Sure, but the demand for meteorologists and the outlook for it here in the US is strong - especially with graduate degrees. I'm not worried in the least. I wouldn't be worried with an engineering degree or a CS degree either or most other sciences.
    <--- working on his IT degree with Security focus... or was until I got to Hawaii... no good college programs for that here

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    Premiums are going up and companies are dropping coverage -- and it was part of the design all along.

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    <--- working on his IT degree with Security focus... or was until I got to Hawaii... no good college programs for that here
    UofH doesn't have what you need or are you just too far from it?

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    UofH doesn't have what you need or are you just too far from it?
    Not necessarily too far; just that they don't have a campus on-base that does IT courses, and I don't have the time to leave work and get there. (Traffic towards Honolulu is horrible around 4 PM, and it would take me an hour to drive 20 miles.)

    As well, they don't have a strong bachelor's degree program, whereas Tulane's off-campus (since it was located next to Keesler AFB, which trains communicators) had a strong IT development program, with various focuses on security, programming, web design, etc etc.

    The worst thing is that in order to complete my associates through Tulane, I have to take classes at HPU... but I had to take pre-req classes first before I could even take the classes that Tulane will give me credit for. A huge pain in the ass.

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