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Mgmt needs those 10s of $Ms in bonuses.
Just found out that the company is raising health insurance premiums by 50%..........neat!
Mgmt needs those 10s of $Ms in bonuses.
Yup. Never saw that comin'.
Employees of TRIMET here in the portland metro region are probably going to have to pay for some of their health care costs. Right now, they have 0% payments, and get great service. We are running out of tax payers to keep giving government employees the sweet deals.
Free ride over: TriMet boss says union employees must pay share of health-care costs
That sucks man. The insurance premiums more than likely aren't going up that much but the company contribution is probably dropping quite a bit. If I had to guess I'd say your company is on hard times and probably sees this as a way to cut costs and blame the insurance company.
When a perk becomes a thought of as a right, people need to be slapped with a dose of reality.
Its not a perk asswipe, its a form of compensation. Its no different than any other compensation negotiated in a contract.
It was a perk before unions made it part of a compensation package. It still is a perk in some industries. You know, plenty of non union jobs offer good health insurance.
Its never a perk. Its compensation for doing your job. Stop being a complete tool.
How many facepalms a day does WC inspire?
facepalms?
nah, self -slaps
"Employee benefit plans proliferated in the 1940’s and 1950’s. Strong unions bargained for better benefit packages, including tax-free, employer-sponsored health insurance. Wartime (1939-1945) wage freezes imposed by the government actually accelerated the spread of group health care. Unable by law to attract workers by paying more, employers instead improved their benefit packages, adding health care."
http://www.neurosurgical.com/medical..._insurance.htm
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no-profit, hard-core public option is the best solution, but the health profit industry has the power to and will kill it.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 10-01-2010 at 07:57 AM.
Manny, are you aware that health insurance as a perk was originally started by companies in a "hot" economy competing for workers as a way to evade Federal wage and price controls? As recently as the 1960's "pay for service" was the norm.
CC, are you aware that you are completely and totally wrong?
Ever heard of The Baylor Plan? 1929?
Yes, master baiter, and PHD of indoctrination.
You don't really believe that do you? When corporations first started offering health care for employees, it was a way of enticing employees to work for a particular firm.
Oh well, I guess I should never expect an indoctrinated master baiter like you to understand such real concepts.
Ok. You would be incorrect as well. Baylor Health Plan. Google it.
It was initially a means for Baylor Hospital to get paid.
Tesha, I did not say that insurance was not available before 1960. I said that EMPLOYER PAID insurance was not the norm before 1960. Individuals typically did individual insurance or fee for service.
idiot.
Your own link says the first group plan was an agreement, and it was before it mentions unions.
Yes, it's in contracts when unions are involved, but non union workers also have health care plans not part of any contract, and a benefit package is to entice and maintain good employees.
Ah...I misread you. as a perk. Doh! My bad.
So without unions (and the govt war-time salary controls), we'd all be screwed on health insurance even worse than now, because we know corps will the employees out of as much salary as possible.
Did you see the recent, but years too late, US govt attack on a cartel of huge Silicon Valley wealth, profitable corps that conspired not to poach each others employees and thereby artificially, and illegally, screw high-demand employees out of salary?
That group of corps is the same one that wants the H1B quote raised so they can undercut US citizens and import cheap Asian engineers and programmers.
There is direct causality by the employers' war on employees (wanted by conservatives, corps, and officially kicked off in the post WWII era by St Ronnie's mass firing of air traffic controllers) of the stagnation of household real income and vastly increased wealth inequality since 1980.
No, we are screws because of union and government involvement.
Health care became common and overused. When you are in a group plan that spreads out the cost, people don't control their usage of such plans. If we actually had to thing if we wanted to spend money for a doctor visit, the self restraint would lower cost.
Frivolous lawsuits are a problem too. Doctors performing more tests and procedures than they otherwise would to reduce the risk of being sues increases costs also.
Knowing government to be as it is, I'm sure you can trace overzealous regulations as a cause for added costs as well.
Oh you mean in order to attract employees they started offering this form of compensation?
Amazing how that works. You pay people more (in one way or another) and they come work for you.
Tell me, is an hourly wage of non contract worker in a contract? Since when does compensation have to be in a contract.
Perk. LOL.
Sure. In the past. Today, we have an overage of qualified people. Still, benefit packages include health insurance. When employees can easily move from one job to another, they often stick with the employer with the best benefit package. I guess being a union dog, this in not understandable by you. You expect the best you can negotiate for the least amount of work, all the while, having unions protect the least common denominator at ude.
Oh you mean in order to attract employees they started offering this form of compensation?
Amazing how that works. You pay people more (in one way or another) and they come work for you.
I'm not even sure what you are trying to distinguish here. It is in union contracts, but can be changed at a moments notice by employers without a union contract. It is a benefit, not a right, at least in non union jobs.
Can someone translate WC's last post for me?
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