What really helps the Mavs offense make up for that lack of a second option I think is the fact that their motion-based offense that Carlisle initially wanted to use with Kidd, is now able to work, because of increased athletes in Marion, Butler and Chandler. This is the most movement in the offense than we have seen since the Nellie days. And it results in a lot more easy open looks for every, especially Dirk, which is a big reason he has been so efficient this year. He isn't being forced to go iso all-game long, and tire himself out by the 4th. He is constantly getting wide-open looks and mismatches through the flow of the offense.
It will be interesting to see how their offense keeps going as the season goes on. If teams will get it figured out, or what. And most interesting will be how they try to integrate Roddy B.
Roddy, if he reaches his level of last season, will definitely add a much needed dimension. I agree with what you said and I wasn't implying the mavs offense wasn't good, because it obviously is. I was saying that they way they manufacture points is a lot different than the spurs. The Mavs are not versatile on that end for the most part and their margin for error is less because their top 3 options aren't as good as the spurs top 3 options.
Spurs offense is superior to the mavs but the one thing the mavs had over the spurs early on was their D. However, the way the mavs D has regressed as of late I'm starting to lean toward SAS
chuck just making nba on tnt interesting that's all
It still remains to be seen whether Dallas can gets stops when they have to. That's really all that matters. San Antonio (as evidenced last night) still has the capability to do it no matter how bad they play throughout the game. IMHO, that's how defense is really judged, if you can get stops in crunch time. Ginobili made the play when it had to be made.
That's what killed the Mavs last year in the playoffs. They couldn't stop the Spurs at all in the 4th quarter of game 6 and I've already seen flashes of it this year.
Im not convinced of the mavs D yet. I question it bc they are relying on zone for too long of stretches and as a result get beat on the boards. Also, the mavs play zone to hide Barea. Anytime i see JJ and JET on the floor together I cringe and to make it worse mavs are forced to fall back into the zone. The more video teams have on the mavs zone, they better team are getting at beating it
Yeah, the Mavs will never be an elite defensive team with Barea and Kidd on the floor at the same time. The Mavs D has been solid, but statistics only go so far. I remember the 2002-03 team did a similar type of zone scheme during the regular season and were one of the best statistical defensive teams in the NB but it was really just another gimmick implemented by Don Nelson.
The Mavs weakness forever is the fact that they can never get stops when they have to in the playoffs. I remember ranting about it last year in game 6. The rotations were terrible. If it wasn't Parker/Ginobli/Duncan gutting them, it was McDyess or Hill hitting wide open jumpers. The team just had no urgency on defense. Tyson Chandler certainly helps but still it remains to be seen if the defense can turn it up a notch when they have to.
Actually I'd love if this were the case. That would mean we have more 50-60+ win seasons to look forward to in San Antonio.
I understand what you were saying. I'm just saying that their new style of offense is what has kept them alive offensively this year. If they played offense the way they did last year, there is no way they would be 20-5 right now.
If Roddy is at least at the same level, or better than last year, the Mavs will be pretty damn tough to beat, as they will have two guys who are pretty much able to get any shot off they want, and make them in Dirk and Roddy, as well as a lot of other guys who are capable of getting hot on any given night and going for 15+ in Terry, Butler, Marion, Barea, Chandler, and Kidd.
I really wish the Mavs would give Mahinimi more chances. They need to develop him, and try to do what they can to get rid of Haywood. He shows much more offensive ability than any center on the roster, while hustling well on D. Pretty athletic and young too.
I think you would lean towards the Nets over the Mavs too, even if the mavs won 82 games and the Nets won 0.
The main issue with the 02-03 team was piss poor rebounding killed them. This team can get away with zone more as they have more better rebounders, plus they are also capable of stopping teams in man to man coverage, thanks to Chandler's presence. I think the zone just helps them a lot to conserve energy for offense, as well as covering up for defensive defeciencies of Barea mainly. Plus a lot of teams don't really know how to attack a zone well, and even ones who do, the Mavs seem to have a very good knack of rotating well in it to cover the shooters.
Yeah, the Mavs will never be an elite defensive team with Barea and Kidd on the floor at the same time. The Mavs D has been solid, but statistics only go so far. I remember the 2002-03 team did a similar type of zone scheme during the regular season and were one of the best statistical defensive teams in the NB but it was really just another gimmick implemented by Don Nelson.
The Mavs weakness forever is the fact that they can never get stops when they have to in the playoffs. I remember ranting about it last year in game 6. The rotations were terrible. If it wasn't Parker/Ginobli/Duncan gutting them, it was McDyess or Hill hitting wide open jumpers. The team just had no urgency on defense. Tyson Chandler certainly helps but still it remains to be seen if the defense can turn it up a notch when they have to.
As for wondering if they can turn it up a notch when needed, I think that has been shown a number of times this year, in games against New Orleans, San Antonio, Utah, Boston, Denver, and quite a few others.
I'm pretty sold on their defense so far. The offense is still the main question. In those games where they allowed teams to come back from large deficits were not due to poor defense, but rather poor offense. They couldn't make a damn shot half the time, and it allowed the other team to constantly get out in transition off of long rebounds and such.
So u dont think the mavs have regressed as of late or u to busy wearing those rose colored glasses?
If the records stay close to the same, DAL still has scoreboard over SA THIS season...and I don't see SA getting one in DAL in a week or so.
i would agree if both team keep the present pace, and dallas can beat the spurs again next game.
i dont think it will happen.
i do think the current mavs team just might be the best one they have ever had, due to tyson chandler (and the absence of dampier)
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good point
Dallas is pretty good but it's not like they're going to really improve over the season, they're better than the Spurs right now but not by that much.
The Spurs team won't peak until around March. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season.
Do you guys understand that ? The Spurs have the best record in the NBA and they're not even close to peaking, let me repeat that, THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PEAKING!
It's happened for like the past decade, the Spurs play mediocre b-ball the 1st half of the season and in the 2nd half they turn it on.
Dallas is pretty good but it's not like they're going to really improve over the season, they're better than the Spurs right now but not by that much.
The Spurs team won't peak until around March. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season. Pop himself has said they're not even focusing on defense that much because he wants to develop their offense in the first half of the season.
Do you guys understand that ? The Spurs have the best record in the NBA and they're not even close to peaking, let me repeat that, THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PEAKING!
It's happened for like the past decade, the Spurs play mediocre b-ball the 1st half of the season and in the 2nd half they turn it on.
What makes you Mav fans so sure that Roddy B wont rot on the bench again? Honest question tbh, no troll. Cause tbh I felt Splitter wouldve been the end of the Bonner era with the Spurs but that obviously hasnt happened. What if Carlisle's hard-on for Barea is as big as Pop's hard-on for Bonner ?
Carlisle would be crucified by the Dallas media and Cubes if Roddy sat the pine. After what happened in game 6 last year everyone has their eyes on Roddy
Quit fooling yourselves Spurs fans. Mavs are clearly the better team.
Mavs usually are in December.
Dallas Cowboys? I agree.
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