Gotta agree with my HH37 on this one
He was behind them playing on a team that put him on the court with 4 perimeter players who would stretch the court and give him a wide open lane to score in. Now that he's on a winning team that actually plays a real center most of the time, his interior scoring "ability" has been exposed since he isn't on some gimmicky team that cares more about stat whoring than winning.
It's possible, but I don't buy it..as I showed, Spoelstra's system is terrible for creating easy shots inside, Miami has been horrible at it, since he arrived as the coach..unfortunately, the only other example I could use for Spoelstra is Beasley, since he was held back last year, and he's been scoring in the paint at a high rate this year, but you'll play the "bad team" card again(which isn't a bad card, but there isn't really a good example on either side here, in regards to Bosh's paint production)..
Also, Bosh is actually last in the NBA in getting assisted on shots in the paint this year, amongst big men that play 25 MPG or more..I don't care if you hate the guy, but that's just pathetic..even average bigs should be getting spoon-fed by Lebron and Wade, on most other teams..
The Raptors were a playoff team in 2007 and in 2008..so it's not like they were always some bottom-feeder..either way, I doubt you're going to argue that Udonis Haslem and Jermaine O'Neal, from last year, are anywhere near Bosh in this category, despite your dislike of him..
Right. I'm sure Spoelstra says to Bosh, "Never make cuts in the paint, post up or look to score inside. I want you to camp 20 feet from the hoop like a big pussy and continuously hoist jumpers. Lebron and Wade, only pass to Bosh when he has an open jumper, don't ever try to create any shots inside for Bosh." The Heat's lack of interior scoring is just as much to blame on Lebron and Bosh thinking they're much better jump shooters than they really are as it is on Spoelstra.
Yes, that makes sense..Lebron's Cavs were a high scoring team in the paint, Bosh was a high scoring paint scorer in Toronto, while the Heat have been the worst team in the NBA at scoring in the paint since Spoelstra arrived, but it's Lebron and Bosh's fault..
Bosh is a pussy that prefers to take jump shots, everybody knows that, but to pretend like he's some scrub on the level of Jermaine O'Neal or Joel Anthony is just hatred..
The Heat actually just started running screen/cut plays during this winning streak, it's the first time all year..they're finally running plays for Bosh inside now, ever since he complained about his lack of touches in the paint..
Yeah, it's Spoelstra's fault for running ty offensive sets, and it's Lebron and Bosh's fault for falling in love with jump shots they don't consistently make. Only a re would paint it as such a black and white issue that's either 100% Spoelstra's fault or 100% Lebron and Bosh's fault.
Teams pretty much pack the paint in because Wade and James are mediorce jump shooters, not sure how thats Spoelstra's fault.
A lot of the people who are blaming Spoelstra are the ones who evaluated this team wrong and thought they' be unstoppable. Now they just use him as an excuse, rather than admit this team has gaping holes.
It's pretty easy to pack the paint and have your bigs stay in one area of the court to stop a team, when they run isolation ball with no other sets or side to side ball movement, all game..
Tbh, is it Mike Brown's fault the Cavs ran ty offensive sets w/ Lebron? Maybe it's time to recognize the fact running good offensive sets with someone who massages the ball like Lebron does while having no ability to play off ball isn't the easiest thing in the world. The only play Lebron ever seems interested in running where he dribbles around for 10-15 seconds then goes 1 on 5.
Every team has significant weaknesses in their personnel..Miami has been affected by a lack of a bench, lack of Haslem, and Mike Miller's thumb hurting his game and confidence..
However, it doesn't change the fact that Spoelstra made no adjustments to his system, and doesn't maximize the strengths of his team to counter the weaknesses, at all..not to mention the fact that he hasn't had a set rotation all year..
The Cavs offensive sets weren't great, but they were decent enough to take them as far as their talent could IMO..Lebron choked in last year's playoffs, and the rest of the team, particularly Mo Williams, was terrible under pressure in both years..
It's hard, check that, it's impossible, to maximize the strengths of 3 players who are nothing other than mediocre spot up shooters without the ball in their hands. You can't maximize 3 different strengths of going 1 on 5.
Well, you so arrogantly spelled out what side of the spectrum you reside in. This coming from a ban wagoner who openly admits he didn't know much about the coach prior to this season. There are plenty of subtle differences between last years Cavs team and this years Heat.
First of all, if Lebron wanted Spoelstra fired, he would have been fired a long time ago
I already posted a link during Miami's slide, which diagrams Spoelstra's system and his horrible plays..this was the same he used last year..you would think he would adjust his system to fit the best player in the NBA and one of the top PFs
Last year's Cavs: 7th in the NBA in points in the paint, with no paint presence..
This year's Heat: 28th in the NBA in points in the paint..
2010 Heat: 29th in the NBA in points in the paint..
Last year's Cavs: 2nd in the NBA in assisted % of shots at the rim..
This year's Heat: 29th in the NBA in assisted % of shots at the rim..
2010 Heat: 30th in the NBA in assisted % of shots at the rim..
2009 Heat: 25th in the NBA in assisted % of shots at the rim..
Last year's Cavs: 2nd in the NBA in assisted % of shots from the rest of the paint
This year's Heat: 30th in the NBA in assisted % of shots from the rest of the paint
2010 Heat: 28th in the NBA in assisted % of shots from the rest of the paint..
2009 Heat: 28th in the NBA in assisted % of shots from the rest of the paint..
What's the common trend here?..
The Cavs were the 7th highest paint scoring team in the NBA last year, and got easy baskets inside, as much, or more, than any other team in the NBA..
The Heat are one of the worst paint scoring teams in the NBA this season, and they are arguably the worst team in the NBA at getting baskets inside, despite having 2 of the 3 best players in the NBA, and an all-star big man..
The Heat have been one of the worst in the NBA in this category since Spoelstra arrived..not a coincidence..I didn't know much about him before this season, but I thought that the coach wouldn't matter..he's probably the worst coach in NBA history..
The Heat will win this year, based strictly on Lebron and Wade(and a little of Bosh)..
Miami doesn't have a post presence. Bosh plays outside the paint so he hardly counts. The Cavs had Hickson and varejao who could both deliver on a regular basis. Your not going to sit here and tell me that Spo would rather watch two of the best players in the game take crowded jumpshots rather than drive to the hoop where they excel And I didn't even mention Jamison and Williams, who could drive to the hoop and score at will.
As far as Wade is concerned, He thinks whatever Lebron tells him to think. Wade had plenty of nice things to say about Spo last year. Its funny how quickly he changes his tune when the calvary comes to town.
Lebron did want Spoelstra fired, and Riley came out and said that ain't happening. Riley sent Lebron that this isn't Cleveland where you can get what you want when you want it. fwiw, I think you'll have your wish at seasons end. Spo will probably resign amidst another Lebron cold-blooded playoff flame out. And btw, Bosh isn't one of the top power forwards in this league. He's a soft knock down jump shooter who couldn't even get his team out of the first round of the playoffs.
Spoelstra is the worst coach in the history of the NBA? Worst than Del Harris? Worst than Mike Brown? He had more talent than this Miami squad and he failed time and time again in the playoffs. what is this, slapstick comedy hour?
So the Heat will win this year in spite of Spo's terrible coaching? Has that ever happened? The only way Miami wins a championship is if Boston and Chicago forfeit.
EDIT: You say Spo is to blame for not making adjustments, yet no one was complaining when they won 21 of 22 right? It only seems to be Spo's problem when the team starts to lose games because it sure as all isn't the players fault.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 03-22-2011 at 09:46 PM.
I'm a player fan, not a team fan, in this regard..Lebron is who I cheer for here, I don't care about the Heat..
None of the guys you named are better in the paint than Bosh..Bosh isn't an ideal post presence, but none of those guys are even close..neither Varejao, nor Hickson, were capable of creating their own shots last year(I'm a fan of both, I also thought they should have played Hickson much more last year)..Miami doesn't have a post presence. Bosh plays outside the paint so he hardly counts. The Cavs had Hickson and varejao who could both deliver on a regular basis. Your not going to sit here and tell me that Spo would rather watch two of the best players in the game take crowded jumpshots rather than drive to the hoop where they excel And I didn't even mention Jamison and Williams, who could drive to the hoop and score at will.
Jamison and Mo can score, neither of them play in the paint, at all..
As far as Wade is concerned, He thinks whatever Lebron tells him to think. Wade had plenty of nice things to say about Spo last year. Its funny how quickly he changes his tune when the calvary comes to town.
No, but there has also never been a team with 2 of the top 3 players in the NBA, in their primes, together, in the playoffs..So the Heat will win this year in spite of Spo's terrible coaching? Has that ever happened? The only way Miami wins a championship is if Boston and Chicago forfeit.
Also, the Heat have actually been running basic sets since their last losing streak, I'm hoping that means Spoelstra saw the light..they've been using more screens, having Lebron and Wade slash off the ball more, 2-3 p&r..
BTW, I agree that there are significant differences between the Cavs and Heat..I was speaking strictly from a paint scoring perspective..the Cavs surrounded Lebron with better shooters and cutters, and Mike Brown actually did run basic basketball sets that involved off-ball movement, unlike Spoelstra..
I never said those players mentioned were better than Bosh? I simply said that those players were a better inside presence than anything Miami has. Bosh plays the majority of time outside the paint settling for outside jump shots. Occasionally, he'll drive to the hoop to prove me wrong but those drives are far and few between. Hickson and Varejao don't necessarily create their own shots, but they play in the paint. Jamison and mo don't play in the paint, but the're capable of getting into the lane.
Well, Last year, Wade stood by his coach even praising him. This year in a presser after a loss, he was asked by a member of the media if Spo is your guy? His response was " I don't know if he's my guy, but he's my coach."
Shaq and Kobe don't count? I would argue that the Shaq and Kobe were better because they had the best of both worlds.
I'm not saying you don't bring up good points. I don't think Spo should be the scapegoat for all of the Heat's struggles. Some of the otis has to be on the players. And Cleveland had some very solid teams heading into the playoffs with Lebron leading the way and guess who got the blame for losing in the postseason? Not Lebron. I would even go as far as to say Cleveland had a better "team" than Miami does.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 03-22-2011 at 10:17 PM.
so did anyone answer the question?
Yet with Boston's fade, Miami probably has the best shot to beat the Lakers. Bosh can be effective & Wade can get to the foul line. James can provide support (snicker).
Getting to the foul line perhaps being the key to the deal - the only way to crack the Lakers puzzle, and it's a long shot.
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