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    It all depends on how far along the pregnancy was....also if there was a choice available for these kids rather than resort to barbarism it might of helped....it's the world we live in. I believe abortion is legal in Texas is it not....there had to be a better choice....however I do believe that if this pregnancy was too far along than the punishment does indeed stand.

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    Outrageous.

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    Well, sucks for him. If only he'd simply let the girl stick a coat hanger up herself or OD on pain killers, he'd be in better shape. As it is, it's a good thing he's gonna be put away for life, lest he be left to roam the streets and endanger babies everywhere.

    This is a political message sentence, and I expect it to be overruled somewhere down the line.
    That is so wrong - one of the main reasons abortion has remained legal in this country is so that women would not have to resort to those actions - many women have died trying to abort babies by those means - this story is tragic all around. I agree that it really is necessary to know how far along the pregnancy was, though. If it was far enough along, she should have gone ahead and had the babies - but if it was within the timeframe for a D&C, then it could be one of those cases where they couldn't get the money to do the abortion - they're pretty expensive, and really, most women needing to get abortions are women who are not financially secure. What the guy did was really ing stupid, but a life sentence?

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    Unequal application of laws that are contradictory to begin with. This is idiocy plain and simple.

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    That is so wrong
    You may have caught it, but I'm not sure, so just in case... that was sarcasm.


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    He gets life, while she gets to go home while she played an equal part in this based on a technicality. If she has the right to an abortion, and she asked him for help, wasn't that what was going on?

    Life in prison. And you guys complain about activist judges. Give me a ing break.

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    He gets life, while she gets to go home while she played an equal part in this based on a technicality. If she has the right to an abortion, and she asked him for help, wasn't that what was going on?

    Life in prison. And you guys complain about activist judges. Give me a ing break.
    I agree. She should go to jail too.

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    He gets life, while she gets to go home while she played an equal part in this based on a technicality. If she has the right to an abortion, and she asked him for help, wasn't that what was going on?

    Life in prison. And you guys complain about activist judges. Give me a ing break.
    I don't really agree with life in prison, but what was this guy thinking? What was the girl thinking? Punch yourself in the stomach, or stand on a pregnant woman's stomach to kill the fetus/baby? That's nuts.

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    I don't really agree with life in prison, but what was this guy thinking? What was the girl thinking? Punch yourself in the stomach, or stand on a pregnant woman's stomach to kill the fetus/baby? That's nuts.
    , going to a doctor and having him suck and scrape a fetus from your womb is nuts.

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    , going to a doctor and having him suck and scrape a fetus from your womb is nuts.
    Those things aren't even remotely similar.

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    Those things aren't even remotely similar.
    Really? Ever witnessed an abortion?

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    Those things aren't even remotely similar.
    The means justify the end then? Killing is killing.

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    Then bring our troops home and throw them in prison.

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    This thread is a one way ticket to a headach.

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    if you think this type of behavior is repulsive now, if conservatives get their wish and outlaw abortion this kind of story will be commonplace

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    if you think this type of behavior is repulsive now, if conservatives get their wish and outlaw abortion this kind of story will be commonplace
    That's bull ... Pro-Abortion activists from the 70's have admitted they pulled the "thousands" of deaths, due to illegal abortions, out of their butts.

    In 1972, prior to Roe v. Wade, there were 39 reported deaths (according to the CDC from Medical Examiner, Emergency Room, and Morgue Reports) resulting from illegal abortions and resulting complications.

    Back alley - coathanger - abortions are a myth and probably only encourage the abberant behavior demonstrated by these teens.

    Most illegal abortions were performed by doctors in "back office" abortions with available medical instruments of the time. The fact is, terminating a pregnancy, prematurely, is dangerous and risky. Legalizing abortion had less to do with the decline in maternal mortality than did medical advances.

    Yes, Virginia, women still die from abortions and resulting complications...and, in numbers comparable to those prior to it being legalized.

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    Really? Ever witnessed an abortion?
    Have you? Would that make a person an expert on the matter? Is what these two people did a good thing?

    I guess that's no, no, and no?

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    Actually, I have. Several, in fact.

    Would that make a person an expert on the matter?
    It would certainly make a person sensitive to the realities of abortion as opposed to the romanticized visions of preserving the health of the mother, saving an unwanted child from a hard life, or the "neatness" of clinical abortion.

    Is what these two people did a good thing?
    duh.

    I guess that's no, no, and no?
    I think that makes it a yes, maybe, and no.

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    One other thing.

    The act of these two teenagers only demonstrates the fallacy of why pro-abortion proponents wanted it legalized in the first place...

    To stop the hideous practice of self-administered abortions.

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    One other thing.

    The act of these two teenagers only demonstrates the fallacy of why pro-abortion proponents wanted it legalized in the first place...

    To stop the hideous practice of self-administered abortions.
    Touche. Fallacy indeed. Unless...


    They couldn't afford the abortion(s) (twins). You know what that means, FREE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED, ON DEMAND ABORTIONS FOR ALL!!

    WHEEEEE!!!!!!

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    Preventing back alley abortions is hardly the sole pro-choice argument for the legalization of abortion. It's not even the only one that's a fallacy.

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    Preventing back alley abortions is hardly the sole pro-choice argument for the legalization of abortion. It's not even the only one that's a fallacy.
    Oh, I agree. But, it was the principle reason at the time of Roe v Wade. And, in fact, that is precisely why the pro-abortion lobby grossly inflated -- , flat out lied about -- the numbers of deaths resulting from illegal, back alley abortions. They knew all the other arguments wouldn't fly without that arrow in the quiver.

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    Actually, I have. Several, in fact.


    It would certainly make a person sensitive to the realities of abortion as opposed to the romanticized visions of preserving the health of the mother, saving an unwanted child from a hard life, or the "neatness" of clinical abortion.


    duh.


    I think that makes it a yes, maybe, and no.
    I don't see how you could have been witness to several abortions first hand, unless you were a doctor performing them. But hey, say what you want. What would have been a better solution to this outcome? Maybe an abortion? Maybe a pregnency that was carried to full term, but that didn't seem to be the will of the parents in this case.

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    TRO thinks you shouldnt even be allowed to talk about abortions. its not a free speech issue its a morality issue!, what about peoples rights not to hear about abortions!

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    Amen to that.

    Good thing that most people actually love their children...

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