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Torture them!
There's evidence the OWS crowd began with political backing -- not so for the Tea Party movement.
Yes.
Because abuse, corruption, and injustice never happens in government prisons? The difference being, it's easier to hold a private company accountable than it is the government.
The crowd had breached the peace and disregarded lawful orders to disperse or crossed police lines.Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the Government for a redress of grievances.
They were criminals.
Torture them!
There is a key difference you do not understand.
With privatized prisons there is a free-market incentive to put more people in prison for profit. Abuse, corruption, and injustice happens with government prisons, but there is never an incentive to put innocent people in prison without profit entering the picture. Do you understand the difference?
Let me paint you a picture.
When did it become profitable to put people in prison, I wonder?
USA. The Land of the Free has more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth. Did you know that? No? Why not?
Do you STILL think privatizing prisons is noble?
If you watched that video and honestly believe those females needed to be pepper sprayed, I cannot continue to argue with you.The crowd had breached the peace and disregarded lawful orders to disperse or crossed police lines.
They were criminals.
Those chicks should be in prison too!
Yes. As in the two cases you noted, It would take government corruption in order to feed the monetary incentive of the private industry to incarcerate innocent people.
Hmmm...government is still the problem.
Okay, I'll watch it again but, TBH, the videographer wasn't at the site of the conflict the entire time the police and those that were sprayed. I doubt I'll be persuaded otherwise by anything I see in that clip.
Okay, I've watched it again. At what point in the video clip were the wailing women sprayed -- I missed that. The video quality isn't good since there was a lot of activity.
Ghadafi, Mubarak and Al-Assad salute you
No. You didn't understand what I said.
Without a prison owner making profit, there is no incentive to bribe a judge to put more people in prison. Period.
You have something called confirmation bias.Okay, I'll watch it again but, TBH, the videographer wasn't at the site of the conflict the entire time the police and those that were sprayed. I doubt I'll be persuaded otherwise by anything I see in that clip.
Okay, I've watched it again. At what point in the video clip were the wailing women sprayed -- I missed that. The video quality isn't good since there was a lot of activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
You have already made up your mind that these females have done something wrong/deserved what happened to them. When confronted with conflicting facts, you start denying them for literally no reason. Your mind cannot accept the possibility that you are wrong.
Control government and the bribes won't be effective.
So, you don't know what they were doing when they were sprayed. Nor can you point to the place, in the video, when the spraying occurred?
We both have confirmation bias. You've made up your mind they were innocent but, there's not enough information in the video to prove either side.
My bias comes from a history of being involved in law enforcement, having been at protests (on the police side of the line), and knowing what goes into the decision to employ pepper spray.
What makes you think they're innocent?
Back on topic, momentarily, the better comparison is to the j14 tent protests.
These people aren't overthrowing a dictator...and, they weren't shot and killed, either.
yoni must be WC's troll.
You're ignoring the central point over and over and over. The bribes ONLY EXIST because a previously socialized, non-profit industry became a for-profit industry. Privatization.
You believe in the free market, I'm sure. The free market therefore created a market to be fulfilled - the prison industry! The prison industry is a ing TERRIBLE industry to be private, though, as 99.99% of people quite obviously do not want the service that prisons provide. BUT THE FREE MARKET REIGNS SUPREME!! The prison industry, just as any other industry, needs to create demand for its service.
What does it do?
-Lobby for the war on drugs to congress
-Bribe judges to put innocent people in prison
Liberty is supposed to be about freedom, and preventing injustice. Privatizing the prisons of our country has led to the highest incarceration rate of all the countries on the entire planet.
This video.So, you don't know what they were doing when they were sprayed. Nor can you point to the place, in the video, when the spraying occurred?
We both have confirmation bias. You've made up your mind they were innocent but, there's not enough information in the video to prove either side.
My bias comes from a history of being involved in law enforcement, having been at protests (on the police side of the line), and knowing what goes into the decision to employ pepper spray.
What makes you think they're innocent?
We are done arguing. Have a great day.
That would suggest everything be nationalized. Bribes wouldn't exist if their weren't government officials willing to accept them.
It works both ways. But, with government, there is a tendency to keep bureaucracies once they are created. If the demand for prisons fell, they'd figure out a way to keep them open. In private industry, if the demand falls, they go out of business.
I disagree. Society, as a whole, wants a penal system. Law-abiding citizens are your consumer, not the people who go to prison.
And, private industry is held more accountable than government. poor conditions, prisoner abuse, and corruption would be handled more swiftly. Have you ever heard of a government prosecutor ignoring evidence of the innocence of a convicted person and they being allowed to rot in jail for decades before being released?
Happens all the ing time. Here in Texas, we had two cases, just this years, of one many being released after serving years on death row and another after serving 25 years of a life term for not killing his wife.
Private prisons up...people get prosecuted.
Government prisons up...governments pay off the victims and leave the perpetrators in place.
It could only create such a demand by breaking the law. It would fall to government to make sure those that did, got sent to the very prisons they own...well, I would probably send them to a compe or's prison.
Government's already all for the War on Drugs. But, if it made you feel better, I would prohibit private prisons from lobbying on any matter that might be construed as an attempt to increase their market share.
Caught and punished. What's happened to the District Attorney that put Anthony Graves in prison?
Liberty is as much about freedom of action as it is freedom from the harmful acts of others. That's why we have prisons (private or public).
I would argue crime and the government's propensity to criminalize everything is what has led to our incarceration rate. Private prisons only came along when government realized it couldn't afford to imprison all the people they decided to make criminals.
Looks to me like the police barrier had been pushed into the street by the crowd and that they weren't retreating. That's a breach of the peace.
You have a good day, as well.
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Taxed Enough Already. They started with a coherent message whether you agree with it or not.
This is beautiful. Honestly, it's like a nugget of US history. I hope people put that youtube in their sig along with Yonivore's brilliant quotes.
pretty sure thats not why they are called the Tea Party
Waste of space and bandwidth but, whatever give you that tingly feeling up your leg.
If the police acted inappropriately, they're usually prosecuted. It's the trend these day...video phones have gotten a lot of police in trouble. I just don't think you video shows enough to determine 1) that those pepper sprayed were innocent or 2) the police acted inappropriately.
They're called the Tea Party because Rick Santelli's rant gave someone the idea to call the movement a Tea Party Revolution. It stuck.
I posted two different videos...just want to confirm you have watched the second video with freeze-frames and arrows.
I did and the barrier was clearly being pushed into the street.
Now you're simply in full jackass mode.
lol breach of the peace. gtfo.
The barrier was set up behind the pole already......... it wasn't touched.
Seeing things that aren't there? Classic Yonivore.
The barrier was moving the whole time. There just isn't enough information in the video to make a claim either way.The barrier was set up behind the pole already......... it wasn't touched.
I hope they investigate and, if it is determine the officer acted inappropriately, he should be disciplined.
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