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    The RJ bashing never gets old. He was added to a team with 3 allstars and told to fill a role and mostly did. He hit 47 fg% and 44% 3pt and an ts% 61 all on limited touches. He tried on defense alot of times. What more do you want from him on team with Manu, Dunc, and TP? To score 20ppg? Wait, he was scoring 20ppg at the beginning of the season but Pop and TP slowed the tempo down to not play to his strengths. The Spurs know what they have to do to get more out of RJ. They just have to go back to doing it. It also makes sense if they use him more they can save wear and tear on Manu and Duncan.
    Now, I'm not into bashing RJ for the sake of it, but why don't you post his playoff stats as well as his reg season stats and then you might realize why he gets bashed.

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    Towards the end, Jefferson would just hold the ball for a second before passing it to someone else. He never even tried to drive.

    Leonard would be starting this year... but he missed training camp. Pop doesn't care that there was no training camp this year; he doesn't accept excuses. No playing time for Leonard this year. Splitter also missed training camp; look for RJ to play center.

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    Towards the end, Jefferson would just hold the ball for a second before passing it to someone else. He never even tried to drive.
    And if he did it normally resulted in a wild layup that usually never went in.

    Seriously, how does a 9 year, 222 pound, NBA veteran -known for scoring on the fast break - not have the strength or skill to control himself when he attacks the paint (which - as we all know - didn't happen often)?

    RJ just ing sucks.

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    If RJ is amnestied, he should sign with the Lakers to be Kobe's back up.

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    He isn't even worthy of being Matt Barnes' backup.

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    This talk about Jefferson "filling a positional need and giving them their best chance to contend" is nonsense. They could probably sign Battier, at a reasonable number, to a two year contract. It may take giving him a partially guaranteed third season, in order to lower the cap hit in the first two (a la Bowen and McDyess), but there's no reason to think they couldn't sign him. His defense is declining, but he's still a plus defender and a championship caliber role player.

    If they did that and traded Blair/McDyess for Amir Johnson, they'd be left with the most balanced team they've had since '07 and they'd do so without increasing payroll.

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    This talk about Jefferson "filling a positional need and giving them their best chance to contend" is nonsense. They could probably sign Battier, at a reasonable number, to a two year contract. It may take giving him a partially guaranteed third season, in order to lower the cap hit in the first two (a la Bowen and McDyess), but there's no reason to think they couldn't sign him. His defense is declining, but he's still a plus defender and a championship caliber role player.

    If they did that and traded Blair/McDyess for Amir Johnson, they'd be left with the most balanced team they've had since '07 and they'd do so without increasing payroll.
    I agree Battier would have been the better fit mainly since the things they are asking RJ to do (hit 3's and defend) are strengths of Battier. Plus his offense is not as bad as Bowen. He has a little post up game. I still don't think it's mainly RJ's fault. The Spurs got him but weren't willing to commit to making the adjustments necessary to get the most out of him. It doesn't make sense to get someone with RJ's offense and force him into a poor man's Bruce Bowen.

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    Battier is not going to sign a 2 year deal with us... a lot of teams are interested in giving him full a mid level contract.

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    Battier is not going to sign a 2 year deal with us... a lot of teams are interested in giving him full a mid level contract.
    If the MLE actually exists, maybe. He's getting a little old to command the full MLE anyway.

    The owners want tax-paying teams to lose their MLE, so if that happens, many of Battier's suitors would be unable to pay.

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    The good news about RJ is that the new CBA will make trades easier because there will be more margin to match salaries. Spurs first option for RJ will be to trade him with Blair as sweetener of the deal.

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    The good news about RJ is that the new CBA will make trades easier because there will be more margin to match salaries. Spurs first option for RJ will be to trade him with Blair as sweetener of the deal.
    And take back a bigger/longer-term salary? Or is Blair the sweetener to basically dump RJ?


    On a side note, does anyone know if Kawhi Leonard is working out with any of the long-time Spurs players? They could very well try and teach him some of the system in advance of the season.

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    I know some people in New York that can make RJ disappear and probebly much cheaper then it would be to cut him.

    Give me a call Holt I'll hook you up.

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    Battier is not going to sign a 2 year deal with us... a lot of teams are interested in giving him full a mid level contract.
    Who? I can't see the Celtics, Bulls, Mavs or Lakers being interested. The Heat are rumored to be, but it's unlikely they'd be able to offer more than the Spurs. And even if they could, he'd have no chance to start and he'd play limited minutes. The Thunder might be, but again, he'd have to play a limited role.

    I'd be surprised if he get's more than 3 guaranteed seasons. Even if it took 3 though, obviously it wouldn't be ideal, but it's not like it would be an albatross. The MLE is expected to be $5 million annually, but there's no guarantee he even get's that. And as the team transitions to a re-building phase, he's the type of veteran presence it makes sense to have around young players. But if they really didn't want him by the third season, they probably wouldn't have great difficulty trading him to some contender, because of how highly regarded he is.

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    Howard beck has some news regarding the future CBA and it's interesting to analyze Spurs' financial situation.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sp...atum.html?_r=1

    Salary-cap and luxury-tax levels in Years 1 and 2 of the new agreement will be no less than they were in 2010-11. By Year 3, they will be adjusted downward to conform to the new system.

    Son, the luxury tax threshold for this year won't be below $70.31M.

    Spurs payroll in 2011-2012 will be $71.15M for 11 players (Parker, Ginobili, Jefferson, Blair, Duncan, Neal, Anderson, Bonner, Splitter, Leonard and Joseph). Fill the roster with min like players and Spurs payroll will be about $2M over the tax threshold.

    The conclusion of all this is the following: using the amnesty clause on RJ isn't a that obvious move. Spurs best interest could very well be of not using it immediately which would explain why Holt is interested in this 2 years window.

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    That was no favor; him opting out ed the Spurs out of what would be one of the best trading pieces in the league (provided there is actually a season).
    After that dismal first season that RJ posted, on top of that ginormous salary that he commanded, I can't see how the Spurs could've found any takers for him.

    I get your point, though. In fact, now that I think about it, had he not opted out, RJ only had 1 year left on his existing contact. Because expiring contracts are so precious, perhaps it was conceivable that some team would've take a flier on him by the Feb trade deadline - at least for the potential cap space alone.

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    With details of owners CBA proposal divulged, we can now have a close look at what Spurs should do with this amnesty clause.

    Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA
    (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of
    the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
    So, there will have more than the 2 years window expected. Teams will have the length of the CBA to use the amnesty clause.


    Spurs won't pay a lot of luxury tax if they are a couple of $M above the tax threshold.
    In years 1 and 2, Tax rate for teams with team salary above Tax level is
    $1-for-$1 (same as 2005 CBA).
    With the new system Spurs would have paid $3M in tax for being $2M over the tax. Luxury tax should also be prorated to a 72 games season long. If Spurs are $2M over the tax, they will only paid $1.76M in tax.


    There will have very few luxury tax money redistributed to no tax teams this year. With no LLE, a mini MLE, the pro-ration and an amnesty clause, the total amount of luxury tax should be low. But there is something new in this CBA that will lower the redistribution.
    A maximum of 50% of Tax payments in any season can be directed
    exclusively to non-taxpayers.
    So, if 5 teams pay the tax, teams below it will receiver only 1/50th and not 1/30th of the tax collected. All in all, I would say that teams below the tax will only get $1M while in previous years it was around $3M.


    But the biggest news is:
    A modified waiver process would be utilized for players waived pursuant to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap could submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s
    remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the
    remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the
    team that waived him.
    RJ with his current salary sucks but some teams below the cap could claim a part of his salary.
    For example, RJ with a 25% salary would cost $7.3M for almost 3 years. He would be an attractive player in these conditions. Even RJ with a 50% salary ($14.6M for 3 years) is a quite good deal.


    The conclusion of all that is that Spurs will be in no rush at all to use the amnesty clause on RJ but it could be a great financial move if they get some feedbacks about teams below the tax being interested in getting him for about half of his salary.

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    I want Holt to continue leading the charge to hack those inflated salaries once and for all, even if it means missing an entire season. Heck, I'd like to see these former players get new gigs and just see an entirely new league get started.

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