Parker for CP3 - your thoughts?

[baseline bum]

Awwww, go on!

I originally thought it would be a pretty good deal since I didn't expect Paul to opt out of his final year due to the reduced maximum salaries (30% of cap), but then I checked the numbers of his deal and realized his final season only pays as much as he could get anyway by opting out. Going from a likely 2-year rental to a certain 1-year rental killed the idea for me.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I originally thought it would be a pretty good deal since I didn't expect Paul to opt out of his final year due to the reduced maximum salaries (30% of cap), but then I checked the numbers of his deal and realized his final season only pays as much as he could get anyway by opting out. Going from a likely 2-year rental to a certain 1-year rental killed the idea for me.

Fair enough. I just figure that Tim will be gone after this season, and rather than lagging around the middle of the pack and going nowhere, I'd rather have a shot at the le this year and then go into full blow up rebuild mode. This trade would allow us to cut about 40 million in salary, and given the way CP3 carried the Hornets against the Lakers in last season's play-offs, I think he'd give us a shot to win it all this year (assuming we get a decent season from Timmy... a large assumption, I know).

[Bruno]

I'm not a TP hater... just thought this trade might give us a shot this year while also clearing more salary for the rebuild.

I know you aren't a Parker hater.

I find this trade does poorly in both being compe ive now and rebuilding the team. First, even if you upgrade the team at PG from Parker to Paul, the frontcourt will remain too bad to win a le. Second, a true rebuilding trade including Parker would be Parker for expiring and prospects/picks. Your trade has the expiring part correct but miss the prospects/picks part.

Hornets are in rebuilding mode if they trade Paul. I don't think they are interested in an aging Parker. Some teams will offer more for Paul because they will see him as a cornerstone of their franchise for at least half a decade and not an one year rental.

[SequSpur]

Ruff, CP3 wants to go to New York, so why bother with this topic?Dude, it's all over ESPN and Solid D's Express News..... Dumb.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I know you aren't a Parker hater.

I find this trade does poorly in both being compe ive now and rebuilding the team. First, even if you upgrade the team at PG from Parker to Paul, the frontcourt will remain too bad to win a le. Second, a true rebuilding trade including Parker would be Parker for expiring and prospects/picks. Your trade has the expiring part correct but miss the prospects/picks part.

Hornets are in rebuilding mode if they trade Paul. I don't think they are interested in an aging Parker. Some teams will offer more for Paul because they will see him as a cornerstone of their franchise for at least half a decade and not an one year rental.

Fair enough. Can't argue with any of that. My brain is only just warming up to NBA again after a 6 month hiatus, so give me a bit of time to get back to speed!

Ruff, CP3 wants to go to New York, so why bother with this topic?Dude, it's all over ESPN and Solid D's Express News..... Dumb.

It was just an idea thread. Your relentless negativity makes me wonder why you bother to post at all.

[SequSpur]

It's a fact.

espn.com

[SequSpur]

You want my thought...you asked for it, so I gave it to you...

CP3 wants New York, he isn't going to be traded anywhere else because he will refuse to sign, so that's my thought... ...how is that negative? It's the truth, a fact!

[DeadlyDynasty]

You want my thought...you asked for it, so I gave it to you...

CP3 wants New York, he isn't going to be traded anywhere else because he will refuse to sign, so that's my thought... ...how is that negative? It's the truth, a fact!

Paul will be a Knick for sure...only other teams that have a chance are Lakers and Clips

[TDMVPDPOY]

cp3 or deron williams are both fools if the clippers are not on their list, even though they got a wanker of a owner...blake griffin will be better then d12 when its all said and done

[ManuTastic]

Manu will never see the all again with CP3. Parker hater/Manu lover should be careful with what they wish for.

There will be a time where trading Parker will be the right move to do for both Spurs and Parker. However, this time will be in a couple of years. Right now, keeping Parker is a no-brainer for Spurs.

Actually there is a realistic trade to do for with the Hornets but it's Ariza+Okafor for RJ+Dice+Blair.

OMG stop teasing me. How is this realistic? I'd love to see that.

[DMC]

I don't think so.

The Spurs FO has to think of their fanbase, and their fanbase isn't the same mentality as the Lakers' fanbase. Sure we want wins, but I personally don't want to wholesale the team for that one long shot at something probably unreachable right now. I would rather watch my team do what they can to get there than bring in people I don't give a about and watch them fail.

I still feel that RJ and Bonner should be goners, and maybe even Blair, but the core 3 should remain intact.

Detroit went a similar route by trading Billups for Iverson. See what that got them. CP3 isn't where Iverson was, but players can change based on their cir stances. It takes most people at least 1 year to figure out the Spurs system. Having Paul for a year would do nothing for the Spurs.

We don't need a better PG as much as we need help in other areas.

Lastly, I would never build a team around a PG not named Isiah or Magic.

[Seventyniner]

OMG stop teasing me. How is this realistic? I'd love to see that.

It would be a pure salary dump on NO's part. Okafor and Ariza combined are due $19.2M this year, $20.7M next year, and $22.2M in 2013-2014. The last year for each is a player option or ETO, but I can't imagine either of them not taking the money.

On the other end, RJ, Dice, and Blair combined are due $12.9M this year (assuming they waive Dice), and Blair has a cheap team option for next year.

If the Hornets really wanted to blow things up and start over, they could let West walk (or do a sign-and-trade for young pieces), trade Paul for young players and picks, do this trade with the Spurs, and maybe even amnesty RJ next year. This would almost completely clear the books and allow a true rebuild.

Now that I think more about it, this trade would be complete capitulation on NO's part. If West walks away in free agency and Paul makes it clear that he's not re-signing in New Orleans, this becomes more realistic. If NO re-signs West and can talk Paul into at least considering an extension, they would have to hang on to Okafor; he's their only real center.

[rascal]

My first thought: Not going to happen, ever.

Which leads to my second thought: Don't waste time thinking about it.

CP3's agent wants to make a LeBron-esque type of big deal and move Paul to NY with Melo and Stat. It might not happen, but if CP is saying "NYC", he might settle for L.A., Boston, or Chicago... he won't settle for "SA".

This. He has made it clear he wants to play with Amare and Carmelo.

[rascal]

I don't think so.

The Spurs FO has to think of their fanbase, and their fanbase isn't the same mentality as the Lakers' fanbase. Sure we want wins, but I personally don't want to wholesale the team for that one long shot at something probably unreachable right now. I would rather watch my team do what they can to get there than bring in people I don't give a about and watch them fail.

I still feel that RJ and Bonner should be goners, and maybe even Blair, but the core 3 should remain intact.

Detroit went a similar route by trading Billups for Iverson. See what that got them. CP3 isn't where Iverson was, but players can change based on their cir stances. It takes most people at least 1 year to figure out the Spurs system. Having Paul for a year would do nothing for the Spurs.

We don't need a better PG as much as we need help in other areas.

Lastly, I would never build a team around a PG not named Isiah or Magic.

The core 3 should be broken up. The spurs are not winning anything with those 3 as the top 3 players on the team.

[DAF86]

Manu will never see the all again with CP3. Parker hater/Manu lover should be careful with what they wish for.

There will be a time where trading Parker will be the right move to do for both Spurs and Parker. However, this time will be in a couple of years. Right now, keeping Parker is a no-brainer for Spurs.

Actually there is a realistic trade to do for with the Hornets but it's Ariza+Okafor for RJ+Dice+Blair.

GTFO, Spurs would be dumb not to make this trade if given the chance, it works everyway. The thing is NO will never go for that.

[Killakobe81]

Manu will never see the all again with CP3. Parker hater/Manu lover should be careful with what they wish for.

There will be a time where trading Parker will be the right move to do for both Spurs and Parker. However, this time will be in a couple of years. Right now, keeping Parker is a no-brainer for Spurs.

Actually there is a realistic trade to do for with the Hornets but it's Ariza+Okafor for RJ+Dice+Blair.

How is that realistic? For the Hornets to give up 2 flawed scorers though effective defenders ...for that poo-poo platter?

[Seventyniner]

How is that realistic? For the Hornets to give up 2 flawed scorers though effective defenders ...for that poo-poo platter?

You would prefer the Spurs include a Euro pick like Marc Gasol? This trade would be nothing compared to the Pau Gasol heist anyway.

[Killakobe81]

You would prefer the Spurs include a Euro pick like Marc Gasol? This trade would be nothing compared to the Pau Gasol heist anyway.

But where is the huge expiring? Sure we did not offer that much in proven talent either but there was Kwame's deal, Critt who was a highly regarded prospect, Gasol with potential and multiple first rounders.

No Okafor and Ariza are not Pau, but you offering a undersized PF, and overpaid SF pst his prime ...

[Seventyniner]

But where is the huge expiring? Sure we did not offer that much in proven talent either but there was Kwame's deal, Critt who was a highly regarded prospect, Gasol with potential and multiple first rounders.

No Okafor and Ariza are not Pau, but you offering a undersized PF, and overpaid SF pst his prime ...

The idea is that the Hornets could amnesty RJ after this season (the "expiring"), waive Dice (whoever ends up with him will anyway), and keep Blair because he's cheap for next year. With West probably walking away and Paul not re-signing, they get to completely clear the books after this season except for Jarrett Jack's $5M and some rookie contracts.

Basically, it would be a complete salary dump and only done if West walks and the Hornets are convinced that Paul isn't coming back no matter what.

It might also make the team more attractive to a buyer to not have Ariza's and Okafor's bad deals on the books. Another parallel with the Gasol trade.

Also, I've seen somewhere else on ST that only a team who signed a player can amnesty that player (preventing the Hornets from trading for and amnestying RJ). If that's true, though, how did Holt talk the owners into it? I thought the idea wasn't to punish teams with no bad deals; instead they could trade for a bad contract and use the amnesty then. In other words, isn't it that the amnesty can only be used for players under the contract as of the lockout (regardless of what team they end up on)?

[Mel_13]

Also, I've seen somewhere else on ST that only a team who signed a player can amnesty that player (preventing the Hornets from trading for and amnestying RJ). If that's true, though, how did Holt talk the owners into it? I thought the idea wasn't to punish teams with no bad deals; instead they could trade for a bad contract and use the amnesty then. In other words, isn't it that the amnesty can only be used for players under the contract as of the lockout (regardless of what team they end up on)?

Nobody knows the answer to that question. It's not addressed in the draft agreement and will be part of the negotiations that are ongoing to complete the final version of the CBA.

[Seventyniner]

Nobody knows the answer to that question. It's not addressed in the draft agreement and will be part of the negotiations that are ongoing to complete the final version of the CBA.

Thanks for the info. I think the RJ/Blair/Dice for Ariza/Okafor trade is realistic. Not in the sense that it is likely, but that there are cir stances (NO blowing up their team and starting over) under which it would make sense for both sides.

[Mel_13]

Thanks for the info. I think the RJ/Blair/Dice for Ariza/Okafor trade is realistic. Not in the sense that it is likely, but that there are cir stances (NO blowing up their team and starting over) under which it would make sense for both sides.

I don't think there's much chance either, but that trade does remove about $25M in future obligations for the Hornets.

[Bruno]

If Hornets do the trade I've suggested, the next step for them would be to showcase RJ.

With CP3 traded for expirings/prospects/picks, RJ would be Hornets main offensive weapon and it's realistic to think that he can be again the great scorer he was 2,3 years ago. RJ's trade value woudl rise which will make him easier to dump for the Hornets.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think there's much chance either, but that trade does remove about $25M in future obligations for the Hornets.

Checking Shamsports, if the Hornets can trade for RJ and amnesty him after this year, they would save just over $28M in future commitments, and around $21M in extra cap space in both 2012-2013 and 2013-2014.

If they amnesty him immediately, they become major players in this year's FA market, with only $36.4M in salary (not including David West) committed. That's almost enough room for two max contracts, I believe. Not that there are any players worth the max this year, considering the bonanza of 2012.

I'm not sure the Grizzlies dumped any more salary than that in the Gasol trade.

[cheguevara]

Parker+Bonner for CP3 - I'd do it for one more shot at a le before the rebuild. Would you?

what the Hornets would say to this proposed trade