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    I don't think Parker relatively slow start is because of a loss of athleticism. As strangely as it sounds, I think he is a little out of shape.

    Parker played this summer and fall with French NT and with L'ASVEL. He looked very good with both teams. My guess is that Pop feared that Parker wouldn't last the whole season so he decided to basically shut him down during the preseason. Pop already did that in the past and Parker playing time during preseason games (DNP-CD and 17min) confirms that. Parker just needs to get back in the shape he was when he was in Europe and it should happen very quickly.
    How can someone get that out of shape by being shut down in an abbreviated pre-season especially after being in game shape from playing? Conversely how can someone with a brief training camp be in any better shape than a guy who played all Summer?

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    How can someone get that out of shape by being shut down in an abbreviated pre-season especially after being in game shape from playing? Conversely how can someone with a brief training camp be in any better shape than a guy who played all Summer?
    It's bull . Parker has lost a step. Someday's he still has it and shows flashes of his old speed and quickness. But on the NBA level of athleticism, Parker at 95% looks stuck in molasses.

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    I don't entirely disagree with your preference, but the subject was how to survive this season without Manu and presumably to make the playoffs.

    Personally, I think the cards are stacked against us given the shortened season and the status of the Big 3 right now. Remember this may be the final year of the Big 3 in any event since Timmy may realize the wheels have come off, and so the FO may trade TP and then Manu may decide to become a full-time father without TD & TP.

    Whether an all hands on deck rally to make the playoffs is a good idea for the future of the franchise is above our pay grade.
    The cards were stacked against us before Manu went down imo. I still think the Spurs will survive without Manu and get into the playoffs, but unless the front line improves thru a bigman signing/trade, and/or Splitter and Blair step up, the Spurs odds are not good for contending.

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    How can someone get that out of shape by being shut down in an abbreviated pre-season especially after being in game shape from playing? Conversely how can someone with a brief training camp be in any better shape than a guy who played all Summer?
    "That out of shape"? I've said "a little out of shape".

    There have been 1 month between Parker's last game in Europe and the start of the season. That's enough to lost some game shape.

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    How can someone get that out of shape by being shut down in an abbreviated pre-season especially after being in game shape from playing? Conversely how can someone with a brief training camp be in any better shape than a guy who played all Summer?
    This.

    Parker is turning 30 in 4 months.
    He is slower than when he was 25.
    Worse, he has been a defensive liability for the last couple of seasons.

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    "That out of shape"? I've said "a little out of shape".

    There have been 1 month between Parker's last game in Europe and the start of the season. That's enough to lost some game shape.
    It's enough to lose all the shape

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    "That out of shape"? I've said "a little out of shape".

    There have been 1 month between Parker's last game in Europe and the start of the season. That's enough to lost some game shape.
    Good points. Its possible that Parker is alittle gassed right now.

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    That's my point though. A little out of shape doesn't seem to be the likely culprit of an all-star finisher going from 50+% fg to 40%. That is a large drop off from a guy who by all accounts should be in better shape than most.

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    I'm not dogging TP I'm stating what I see. It makes no sense to me that being a little out of shape would cause such a large drop off or that other guys would be in better shape than him just because of a really short training camp.

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    Blair will be an All Star this year.

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    Alot of miles on Tony's legs, but I would be suprised if he doesn't step up and revert to his usual form soon.

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    too many doom and gloomers on here. we have one of the deepest teams in the league. we'll be fine.
    I hope your post wasnt written in sarcasm. If not, I agree completely. This team is deep all the way to the 12th man, even moreso at the 2/3 position. Spurs will be fine. With a season like this the most important thing is to make the playoffs.

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    Is Al Thornton still out there?

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    Let's hope TP is just a little out of shape. We've seen what a fully healthy TP led team can do and it was pretty damn impressive.

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    Ain't no surviving this injury. It's panic time for you losers.
    See you at the Lottery, jack.

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    AT any rate, that was a very good, yet optimistic read.

    On Duncan, I agree, that the very most one could expect of him. In normal conditions, at 36, even a great player is supposed to come off the bench and provide some relief for the starting big, playing vs the opponents' subs. Too bad he is the starting big.

    On Anderson/Leonard/Green: I think Green shows energy and good knowledge of basketball, in general. He has quick feet is more athletic than Leonard. Of the three, he is the only one that vaguely reminds me of Bowen. Anderson just doesn't seem to have a high basketball IQ.

    On Blair: I am afraid his production will go down, as half of his points were coming from Manus' feeds. He'll still be soldi, though

    On Jefferson and TJ Ford: if you have to rely on these guys for anything more than a modest role, you are the Bucks/Clippers/Raptors. And you are naturally bound to the lottery.

    The two bright spots might be Splitter and Neal, provided that the latter gets back in shape quickly. These two have balls.

    Overall, I'd be suprised if Spurs win more than 10 games from now to the return of Ginobili.

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    Nice post timvp


    Honestly, it's gonna come down to Neal/Anderson/TP. I don't know if we'll be able to replicate Manu's playmaking ability, but in terms of offensive efficiency, we're gonna hope JA can hit some shots, Neal isn't too rusty, and Parker become a little more selfish.

    I think the Spurs surprise people and play .550 ball. I'm actually more anxious about getting a 4th/5th big as I have a good feeling Manu will be in 4 weeks since it was just his pinky.


    All will be fine Spurs fans, trust me


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    Can they survive? Sure. Will they? ehhh.

    I give them a 40% chance at making the playoffs right now, and I think thats generous.

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    That's my point though. A little out of shape doesn't seem to be the likely culprit of an all-star finisher going from 50+% fg to 40%. That is a large drop off from a guy who by all accounts should be in better shape than most.
    Well, it's too a 5 games sample. If Parker is still bad in 10 games, it would be time to wonder if he has lost a step.

    I'm not worried about Parker. I've seen him having his best summer ever with french national team. Batum even thanked Memphis to have beaten Spurs early in the playoffs which allowed Parker to be well rested this summer.

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    Well, it's too a 5 games sample. If Parker is still bad in 10 games, it would be time to wonder if he has lost a step.

    I'm not worried about Parker. I've seen him having his best summer ever with french national team. Batum even thanked Memphis to have beaten Spurs early in the playoffs which allowed Parker to be well rested this summer.
    How can anyone say that he hasn't lost a step. Nothing to blame him about. But age takes a toll on everyone.

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    How can anyone say that he hasn't lost a step. Nothing to blame him about. But age takes a toll on everyone.
    Need more of a sample to see if tp has, indeed, lost a step. Way too early to come away with your conclusion imo.

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    How can anyone say that he hasn't lost a step. Nothing to blame him about. But age takes a toll on everyone.

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    why can't the spurs tank? they can easily trade parker and then deal manu when he comes back or in the offseason. parker is still in his prime so there will be buyers lining up and ginobili will be a risk but will be an expiring next year. there will be a team (bulls i'm thinking) that will be willing to risk it.

    duncan's contract will be up this year. if the spurs can find some way to clear ginobili and parker, then the spurs will have loads of cap room plus a high lottery draft pick next year. i'm all for the spurs trying to get a championship if they are healthy but this is a sign to start rebuilding. spurs have put this off for too long.

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    why can't the spurs tank? they can easily trade parker and then deal manu when he comes back or in the offseason. parker is still in his prime so there will be buyers lining up and ginobili will be a risk but will be an expiring next year. there will be a team (bulls i'm thinking) that will be willing to risk it.

    duncan's contract will be up this year. if the spurs can find some way to clear ginobili and parker, then the spurs will have loads of cap room plus a high lottery draft pick next year. i'm all for the spurs trying to get a championship if they are healthy but this is a sign to start rebuilding. spurs have put this off for too long.
    Spurs need to hold onto Manu until he retires.

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    Can they survive? Sure. Will they? ehhh.

    I give them a 40% chance at making the playoffs right now, and I think thats generous.
    I really don't see Houston or Minnesota taking that 8th seed; I'd put the Spurs playoff chances at about 70% (unfortunately; I like the 40% number better). Tim and Tony are going to play heavy minutes and thus be spent gaining the pyrrhic victory of a playoff berth.

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