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    Lead the league last year in assists from the 2 spot. Go figure!
    lead the league

    2010-2011 AST/G at SG
    Monta Ellis 5.6
    Ginobili 5.2
    Bryant 4.7

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    lead the league

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    Monta Ellis 5.6
    Ginobili 5.2
    Bryant 4.7

    so it was close...point is he's top 50 in assists all time and #6 soon to be #5 in scoring

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    Kobe is a great shooter. His shot selection is poor. Ray Allen shoots a lower percentage than Kobe, yet he's considered one of the best all time. How is Kobe an average shooter when he shoots a better percentage than Ray Allen? At the end of the day, Kobe is doing something that no guard has ever done in their career. The guy is a machine.
    Regular Season:
    Ray Allen
    2P%: .453
    3P%: .400

    Bean
    2P%: .454
    3P%: .338

    Playoffs:
    Ray Allen
    2P%: .452
    3P%: .415

    Bean:
    2P%: .448
    3P%: .335

    How in the you can claim b3an shoots better? Not only Ray is the much better shooter, he actually raises his game in the playoffs...

    Abdul can't read

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    so it was close...point is he's top 50 in assists all time and #6 soon to be #5 in scoring
    close
    lead the league

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    Yeah, 29 a game on 43%. A.I. . Nothing to see here. When the snitch can shoot over 47% in a season, something he aint good enough to do, come at me.

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    Kobe is a great shooter. His shot selection is poor. Ray Allen shoots a lower percentage than Kobe, yet he's considered one of the best all time. How is Kobe an average shooter when he shoots a better percentage than Ray Allen? At the end of the day, Kobe is doing something that no guard has ever done in their career. The guy is a machine.
    Ray Allen is great 3 point shooter but overall his career fg percentage is 45 just like Kobe which makes him overall an average shooter. Both Ray and Kobe have the same career percentage of 45 which makes them average shooters. Ironically both couldn't win until they were surrounded with tons of talent.

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    Ray Allen is great 3 point shooter but overall his career fg percentage is 45 just like Kobe which makes him overall an average shooter. Both Ray and Kobe have the same career percentage of 45 which makes them average shooters. Ironically both couldn't win until they were surrounded with tons of talent.

    just like MJ, just like Duncan, just like the bad boy Pistons of the late 80's, just like Bird and the Celtics, and Magic and the Lakers...so again what's your point?

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    so it was close...point is he's top 50 in assists all time and #6 soon to be #5 in scoring
    Point is he lied. Kobe leading in assists!

    And the only reason Kobe has assists, is because he sometimes is forced to pass the ball. Noticed his usage rate. The guy is a chucker, and the most selfish NBA player in the last 20 years.

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    Go back and re-read some of my greatest hit threads you lazy you...

    now let me just say that according to Phil MJ was never asked to do what Kobe was asked to do which is facilitate and score and defend the teams best opposing player. MJ never played with Shaq so his stats would look better since he dominated the ball. MJ never played with the caliber compe ion that Kobe has on both sides of the ball...



    Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime.. His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d look ALL-World defender too. Lol
    John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc….

    Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…

    Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

    Defensive side: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum



    So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

    MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

    The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen. This should put an end to it all really:

    Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

    .430 win %
    0 les
    0 MVPs
    0 Finals MVP
    0 Finals appearances
    0 Playoff series wins
    1-9 playoff record
    0 NBA All Defense Team
    0 NBA Defensive Player of the year



    Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

    .611 win %
    3 Finals appearances
    2 Championships
    1 MVP (Reg season)
    2 MVP (Finals)
    5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
    81 points in 1 game
    62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
    4 straight 50+ pt games
    30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month


    Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:

    .492 win %
    0 les
    1 Regular Season MVP
    0 Finals MVP
    0 Finals appearances
    0 Playoff series wins
    4-8 playoff record
    3 NBA All Defense Team
    0 NBA Defensive Player of the year
    Those are bs stats, the only MVP Kobe won was after Gasol arrived. It was only then the Lakers started climbing on the standings, which allowed Kobe get the award. And he wasn't even all-defensive the year he run Phil out of town. That season he was all-nba third team.

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    lead the league

    2010-2011 AST/G at SG
    Monta Ellis 5.6
    Ginobili 5.2
    Bryant 4.7
    One of the announcers on the game yesterday made the comment. I repeated it above.

    He and now I were both wrong. My bad for not verifying, Dohhh

    But it is close and I just looked it up and got slightly different #'s than you but close. Point is, for all you goobers who act like he never passes, he is among the top 5 pretty much every year. He, Wade, and Ellis are consistently among the leaders.

    1. M. Ellis 5.6
    2. T. Evans 5.6
    3. G. Arenas 5.6
    4. M. Ginobili 4.9
    5. Kobe 4.6
    6. D. Wade 4.5
    7. J. Johnson 4.5
    8. E. Gordon 4.4
    9. J. Crawford 3.9
    10. J. Terry 3.9

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    You don't want to know the corrects stats when moved against the usage rate. Kobe is like 220th in the league last I cheched.

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    Go back and re-read some of my greatest hit threads you lazy you...

    now let me just say that according to Phil MJ was never asked to do what Kobe was asked to do which is facilitate and score and defend the teams best opposing player. MJ never played with Shaq so his stats would look better since he dominated the ball. MJ never played with the caliber compe ion that Kobe has on both sides of the ball...



    Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime.. His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d look ALL-World defender too. Lol
    John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc….

    Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…

    Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

    Defensive side: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum



    So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

    MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

    The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen. This should put an end to it all really:

    Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

    .430 win %
    0 les
    0 MVPs
    0 Finals MVP
    0 Finals appearances
    0 Playoff series wins
    1-9 playoff record
    0 NBA All Defense Team
    0 NBA Defensive Player of the year



    Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

    .611 win %
    3 Finals appearances
    2 Championships
    1 MVP (Reg season)
    2 MVP (Finals)
    5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
    81 points in 1 game
    62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
    4 straight 50+ pt games
    30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month


    Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:

    .492 win %
    0 les
    1 Regular Season MVP
    0 Finals MVP
    0 Finals appearances
    0 Playoff series wins
    4-8 playoff record
    3 NBA All Defense Team
    0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

  13. #38
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    No one here is that delluded to compare Kobe to MJ, Proxy.

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    Ginobili 5.2
    Bryant 4.7


    Cobbler with the usual BS.

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    typical ass Spur fan...you come at me like you want to engage in serious discussion...you ask me a legit question I give you a legit answer and you come back with no real discussion but a posted image floating online...gtfo nappy headed Ho...

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    ohh I was referring to proxy's nappy headed ass

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    Front page on NBA.com...


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    No one here is that delluded to compare Kobe to MJ, Proxy.
    There are plenty... that's why someone had to make this graphic. It even has pretty colors and easy to follow visuals for the mentally stunted fellows.

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    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/0...hoot-too-much/

    HANG TIME NEW JERSEY BUREAU – News flash: Kobe Bryant takes a lot of shots.

    Through the first 13 days of the season, Bryant leads the league in both field goal attempts per game (23.1) and per minute (0.65), despite playing with a torn ligament in his right wrist that he numbs with an injection before every game, and despite having some pretty talented teammates.

    ESPN’s Rick Reilly is clearly fascinated with the rate at which Bryant shoots…

    He’s always been an unrepentant gunner, but he’s practically melting the barrel this season. He’s taken 71 more shots than his next shootingest teammate, Pau Gasol. He’s averaging almost 30 shots a game this month. Bryant believes in shot selection. He selects them all.

    Unfortunately, he’s making fewer of them. He went 6-for-28 the other night. For the season, he’s hit only 41.7 percent. Entering Thursday, that tied him for 214th in the league.

    And he doesn’t care.

    Through Friday, Bryant leads the league with a usage rate (percentage of his team’s possessions that he uses when he’s on the floor) of 36.1 percent. And though Bryant is now 33 years old, his usage rate has climbed in each of the last four seasons. Last season, he led the league at 33.0 percent.
    More if you click the link.

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    ohh I was referring to proxy's nappy headed ass
    Sorry... I just thought your reasonings were stupid... like saying Kobe plays better defense and plays against better defense.... that's kind of pushing it when we all know MJ has a DPOY and didn't have the refs blowing the whistle if someone had their hand on him in the perimeter.

    I don't need to type up a paragraph explaining that if I can post a picture showing how outmatched Kobe is.

    For the record, I think he is top 10 if that makes you feel better.

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    Sorry... I just thought your reasonings were stupid... like saying Kobe plays better defense and plays against better defense.... that's kind of pushing it when we all know MJ has a DPOY and didn't have the refs blowing the whistle if someone had their hand on him in the perimeter.

    I don't need to type up a paragraph explaining that if I can post a picture showing how outmatched Kobe is.

    For the record, I think he is top 10 if that makes you feel better.
    You're being condescending to someone who repeatedly trolls the out of you.......I hope you know that.

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    Cobbler with the usual BS.
    Was wrong and corrected above. You ignorance has no boundries.

    The point is still valid. All you idiots who say he doesnt pass are full of . None more so than you.

    Oh BTW... this will be the last post from me to acknowledge you. Move along Welcherboy.

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    Kobe is just earning his pay....he can shoot a million ing times for all i care as long as I'm entertained

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    The point is still valid. All you idiots who say he doesnt pass are full of . None more so than you.
    6-28
    glorified chucker
    Ramon ing Sessions more ast/game than Kobe last season
    dancing on a wheelchair

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    LOL 40K posts and no life.

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