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    If you take out the Joseph minutes and the little used lineup minutes like I did above, here are the adjusted stats of Duncan/Splitter:

    Minutes: 99 minutes (181 possessions for the Spurs, 179 possessions for the opp)
    FG%: 69-166 for 42.9%
    3P%: 15-35 for 42.9%
    FT%: 32-47 for 68.1%
    Points: 185 (or 102.21 points per 100 possessions or 89.70 points per 48 minutes)

    Opp FG%: 74-166 for 44.6%
    Opp 3P%: 8-27 for 29.6%
    Opp FT%: 24-31 for 77.4%
    Opp Points: 180 (or 100.56 points per 100 possessions or 87.27 points per 48 minutes)




    Even better three-point shooting and better three-point percentage defense. The low two-point percentage is a concern but other than that, those numbers look promising enough for Pop to give it more of a try.
    That makes perfectly good sense. With a strong interior, guys out on the wing can stay home with their assignments. Sounds like a recipe for winning playoff games to me.

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    I'm not sure people are positively saying Blair fits next to Duncan -- more like Blair doesn't fit anywhere else.
    I think the "Blair fits next to Tim" crowd is more referencing trades rather than Tiago. They are weary of trades because they say "Blair fits" even though they say Tiago doesn't when in reality it's pretty close. So in the context of discussing trades and bringing in a solid defender with limited offense I think this shows it can be successful.

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    I think the "Blair fits next to Tim" crowd is more referencing trades rather than Tiago. They are weary of trades because they say "Blair fits" even though they say Tiago doesn't when in reality it's pretty close. So in the context of discussing trades and bringing in a solid defender with limited offense I think this shows it can be successful.
    Oh, you just want to work in your trade agenda here.

    Carry on.

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    Was talking about Bonner, which is whom you referenced.
    You were talking about the spacing skill. It's a damn useful skill both in regular season and in playoffs.

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    In a previous thread , you had the Duncan/Splitter pair scoring 97.81 and allowing 103.87 points per 100 possessions.
    And the last piece of the puzzle...

    In the ten games since that thread you linked to, Duncan and Splitter have played a little bit more together. Here are the results:

    Minutes: 12.7 (22 possessions for Spurs, 24 possessions for opp)
    FG%: 11-25 for 44%
    3P%: 1-2 for 50%
    FT%: 2-5 for 40%
    Points: 25 (or 113.64 points per 100 possessions or 94.49 points per 48 minutes)

    Opp FG%: 7-28 for 25%
    Opp 3P%: 0-6 for 0%
    Opp FT%: 1-2 for 50%
    Opp Points: 15 (or 62.5 points per 100 possessions or 56.69 points per 48 minutes)




    (yeah, small sample size but still )

    Pop, play them more together. Seriously. What are you waiting for?

    I might have to go MultiFabbs up in hurr

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    You were talking about the spacing skill. It's a damn useful skill both in regular season and in playoffs.
    With regards to bonner.

    I've never bashed spacing; I've bashed Matt's playoff performances.

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    Oh, you just want to work in your trade agenda here.

    Carry on.
    What agenda? I have no influence and I was making an observation about a ST opinion in context of what the stats show. I'm pretty sure in the scheme of things everyone would welcome a trade for a defensive big; is that everyone's agenda?

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    I've never bashed spacing
    You should rephrase then.
    Spacing of the floor is laughable in the playoffs tbh when teams actually have time to game plan.

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    What agenda? I have no influence and I was making an observation about a ST opinion in context of what the stats show. I'm pretty sure in the scheme of things everyone would welcome a trade for a defensive big; is that everyone's agenda?
    so defensive.

    It's not a bad thing to have an agenda.

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    You should rephrase then.
    Agreed. Although I thought it was implied since the spacing comment I was referencing was all about Bonner.

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    DPG pulling a TD21. He's changed

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    Dude. No.

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    I did not get to watch the live game because I was at the Kings of Leon concert. I am watching the replay and these are my observations for the first half.

    People have been way overreacting. The first half was solid overall. I like how they are going to Tim and spacing the floor.
    You used to like spacing now you say it's "laughable".

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    Maybe its cuz I haven't had my coffee yet, but I don't get green, yellow red.

    Care to explain it again?
    A green cell means the player in the column has played at least 50% of their minutes with the player in the row. A yellow cell means the player in the column has played between 25% and 50% of their minutes with the player in the row. A red cell means the player in the column has played less than 25% of their minutes with the player in the row.

    So por ejemplo, Duncan has played only 119.2 minutes with Ginobili and that's just 12.9% of his total of 923.8 minutes played -- so that cell is red. On the other hand, he's played 862 of his minutes with Parker, which is equal to 93.3% of his total minutes and thus the green cell. Duncan's total with Neal (300.3 minutes) is an example of a yellow cell (because it's 32.5% of Duncan's total minutes).

    Let me know if it still doesn't make sense. Thanks

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    . Just because you sold your Spurs soul tbh.

    "I can't support that"

    "variables have changed aka basketball reasons"

    Uncle

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    ^ DPG with the subtle goods. Just messin' with ya brosef.

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    timvp, do you by any chance use Excel to crunch numbers? If so, would you be able to upload some of your analysis or post it as code so that it could be re-used (copy/pasted into Excel)?

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    yeah i dont get the green and red on the first graph
    For the first three charts:

    A green cell means that the player in the column improved the number for the player in the row. A red cell means the opposite. So basically, the more green in a player's column the better.

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    timvp, do you by any chance use Excel to crunch numbers? If so, would you be able to upload some of your analysis or post it as code so that it could be re-used (copy/pasted into Excel)?
    It's currently not in excel but that's a good idea for the next time I do it. Perhaps I can publish it in Google Docs so others can use the data.

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    It's currently not in excel but that's a good idea for the next time I do it. Perhaps I can publish it in Google Docs so others can use the data.
    Thanks, that'd be awesome.

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    That makes perfectly good sense. With a strong interior, guys out on the wing can stay home with their assignments. Sounds like a recipe for winning playoff games to me.
    That would have helped against the Grizzlies last year. The Spurs gave them way too many open perimeter shots because of over helping. The teams is not athletic enough to play aggressive help defense against some of the teams in the league.

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    It's nice to see proof of how bad the Bonner/Blair combo is, though there(thankfully) hasn't been much of that this season. The Blair/Kawhi combo is also completely horrible, but Pop doesn't seem to realize that based on the minutes.

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    DPG pulling a TD21. He's changed
    timvp pulling a timvp, by misconstruing things. To steal a phrase from Mel_13, I don't "move the goal posts". Like many, you just lack reading comprehension.

    A couple of observations . . .

    - These numbers really don't do Duncan and Leonard justice. Everyone else, they more or less do.

    - I knew the 3-point defense would be significantly better with Duncan paired with Splitter. Everyone automatically think rim protection, but they help the 3-point defense too. Because they're both capable of defending the post straight up in most match-ups, the perimeter players don't have to offer as much help and can stay attached to 3-point shooters more often, which inevitably leads to less clean looks.

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    timvp pulling a timvp, by misconstruing things. To steal a phrase from Mel_13, I don't "move the goal posts". Like many, you just lack reading comprehension.
    Strange when anyone disagrees with TD 21, we've , all of a sudden, lost the ability to comprehend reading the English language.

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    My biggest takeaway from this is that Blair and Bonner have only shared the court for 62.2 minutes this season. That's less than 2 per game, though I'm sure there are more in blowouts that included Joseph et al.

    Maybe Pop is learning?

    Great work as always, timvp.

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