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    lol boutons, laughingstock of Spurstalk

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    I'm not talking about some beliefs...I was refereing to Evay's beliefs which you immediately catagorized as made up .

    Scientology, the Virgin Birth, Mormonism..ThinkProgress...

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    "that they have to abstain."

    anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

    So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.
    Where did I post that I didn't talk openly about all forms of birth control?

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    It mentions flyers encouraging abstinence as a reason the Republican candidates at the forum were "anti-woman".

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    "that they have to abstain."

    anti-woman? Yes, because abstinence as been demonstrated not to work compared with other methods.

    So, yes, you are encouraging your kids to fail at birth control, to produce unwanted pregnancy, which the woman gets stuck with, rarely the guy. iow, abtinence IS anti-woman, and an big part of the Repug war on female sex.
    When?

    Then?

    Who?



    Her?

    I think abstinence has a pretty good track record... even if you call that one a blemish...

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    It mentions flyers encouraging abstinence as a reason the Republican candidates at the forum were "anti-woman".
    Do you plan to blanket your community with abstinence only flyers? Do you plan to aggressively promote legislation that advocates/mandates abstinence only education in schools? If so, your actions would be, according to this article, anti-women.

    But it doesn't sound like that was your intention. Your comments indicated only that you planned to encourage your sons and daughter to practice abstinence as the most reliable form of protection. Such an action is not demonized by those calling recent policy initiatives anti-women, or by the article quoted in the OP. To suggest otherwise is just a silly strawman, and I think you know it.

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    Do you plan to blanket your community with abstinence only flyers? Do you plan to aggressively promote legislation that advocates/mandates abstinence only education in schools? If so, your actions would be, according to this article, anti-women.

    But it doesn't sound like that was your intention. Your comments indicated only that you planned to encourage your sons and daughter to practice abstinence as the most reliable form of protection. Such an action is not demonized by those calling recent policy initiatives anti-women, or by the article quoted in the OP. To suggest otherwise is just a silly strawman, and I think you know it.
    I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence. It needs to be included as not to make teens thing "everyone is doing it." not everyone does, and those who remain "abstinent" are often ridiculed. This at ude needs to stop.

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    Abstinence-Only Education Does Not Lead to Abstinent Behavior, Researchers Find

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1129185925.htm

    Review says abstinence-only ed fails teens

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21670758.../#.T3DeKtkxkyI

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    Abstinence-Only Education Does Not Lead to Abstinent Behavior, Researchers Find

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1129185925.htm

    Review says abstinence-only ed fails teens

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21670758.../#.T3DeKtkxkyI
    Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

    Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.

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    I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence. It needs to be included as not to make teens thing "everyone is doing it."
    What does this even mean? How is this different from the current system? Are you under the impression that teachers are somehow prevented from using the word abstinence in schools?

    I don't know what kind of moronic teens you grew up around, or the quality of sexual education you received, but most teenagers I went to school with didn't need to be reminded that NOT having sex is one way of preventing STDs and pregnancy... It sort of goes without saying.

    Also, discussion of abstinence isn't going to keep kids from hearing about the sexual escapades of their classmates. Teachers can't shelter them from reality when they're surrounded by it every day.
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    Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

    Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.
    Actual abstinence has a nearly perfect track record (unless you're the Virgin Mary).

    Abstinence-only as public policy and as "sex education" is a failure.

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    I think people forget that teaching abstinence seldom means teaching only abstinence.
    False. The dubya/ head policy that ONLY abstinence was to be taught in public schools. All teaching (mentioning) of forms of contraception was forbidden. aka, now as the Repug War on Contraception as part of the larger war on female sex.

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    The part that really confuses me is that I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control. They seem to have latched onto this idea simply to be anti-Obama. They have never had a problem with a married woman taking the pill that I know of.

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    "I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control."

    Rich's article quotes a poll that said 98% of Catholic women have used some kind of forbidden birth control, so they are Mortal Sinners Going To , according to Rome, the Bishops, the priests.

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    Hypocrisy of one (many? all?) anti-abortionist:


    "He shared a story about one of the loudest abortion foes he ever encountered, a woman who stood year in and year out on a ladder, so that her head would be above other protesters’ as she shouted “murderer” at him and other doctors and “ ” at every woman who walked into the clinic.

    One day she was missing. “I thought, ‘I hope she’s O.K.,’ ” he recalled. He walked into an examining room to find her there. She needed an abortion and had come to him because, she explained, he was a familiar face. After the procedure, she assured him she wasn’t like all those other women: loose, unprincipled.

    She told him: “I don’t have the money for a baby right now. And my relationship isn’t where it should be.”

    “Nothing like life,” he responded, “to teach you a little more.”

    A week later, she was back on her ladder."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/op...gewanted=print

    Pretty damned convenient, since he's prohibited by law from giving the name of the person to prove that the story is true. Fact is, it's unethical as for him to be sharing a patient story like that, if it really is true. In fact, if anyone was at one of the protests and saw the woman on top of a ladder, they would know who he was talking about - and he just violated the HIPAA laws, and could lose his license.

    In other words, the story is bull . Once again, Boutons comes up with the most ridiculous , and tells it like fact. How about this one, Boutons?

    A friend of mine who is a doctor told me, "I treated a man for his inability to get an erection the other day. I'm not saying who it was, but he used to be Vice President, and he even ran for President himself. Anyway, while he was talking to me, he told me that the whole global warming thing is a hoax, and he only endorses it to make himself rich."

    It's absolutely true - a doctor said so. And it doesn't violate any confidentiality laws, since he never names the patient.

    You mouth-breating loon.

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    "I have never met Evangelicals who are so anti-birth control."

    Rich's article quotes a poll that said 98% of Catholic women have used some kind of forbidden birth control, so they are Mortal Sinners Going To , according to Rome, the Bishops, the priests.
    Catholics are not Evangelicals. The Church's stand on birth control is well-known so their opposition at least has some consistency. It is the sudden jump on the anti-birth control bandwagon that I find su ious.

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    I didn't say Catholics were Evangelicals, but there is Evangelism in the some Catholics.

    The Catholic Church has always been against all forms of birth control except abstinence and rhythm. I figure some right-wing Evangelical extremists recruited the Bishops for political, not religious/ethical reasons.

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    I thought it was bad taste and/or politically incorrect to refer to everyday life/political stuff as a "war" so to speak. God bless.

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    Americans are a murderous, war-mongering, war-loving people. It's through non-stop, non-ending wars, against external and internal foes, that they define themselves.

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    Americans are a murderous, war-mongering, war-loving people. It's through non-stop, non-ending wars, against external and internal foes, that they define themselves.
    That's quite possibly the most asinine thing I have ever read.

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    That's quite possibly the most asinine thing I have ever read.
    Indict yourself much as clueless asshole?

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    Indict yourself much as clueless asshole?
    Congrats. That's 2nd place. You're cooking today.

    Sad that you cannot even fathom trying to back up your statement, which you parade as fact while hiding behind the coward's skirts of ad hominems.

    Predictable.

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    Yeah... the abstinence only education isn't very effective at preventing teen pregnancy...

    Actual abstinence however has a damned good track record... which is what you were saying doesn't work.

    True THAT.

    I was abstinent (not by choice) for a good long while before I met my wife - and after 21 years of marriage it seems eerily similar to that most of the time these days. I have impregnated no one during these eras.

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    most asinine thing I have ever read.

    ... is ad hominem.

    I notice you NEVER make a substantive comment nor link, but you do stalk me. GFY

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