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    don't give me the BS about his ankles, if they're that much of a problem, he should be playing
    He IS playing, moron.

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    A better year than TD. Health, points, rebs, assists, steals, FG%, FT%...

    It's my bad, I thought KG was 2nd team all defensive...
    I guess wins aren't a factor, huh? You know who else had a great year?

    Elton Brand.

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    A better year than TD. Health, points, rebs, assists, steals, FG%, FT%....
    ....lottery....

    KG had great numbers (hey, SOMEBODY in MN had to), but it's hard to call it a better year.

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    if someone has done what it takes to succeed in the NBA.....you can never question their heart.

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    Rasheed's heart is full of cannabis

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    Why are Pistons fans pissed off about hearing about Tim's ankles? It's a well known fact that he's not at 100%. To say that he shouldn't be playing is just idiotic. Duncan at 80% is still better than 99% of the players in this leauge, and still good enough to be putting up good numbers against the defensive player of the year.

    But if don't think it's not hurting him then you are smoking some good . The putback - or putback that never was - epitmized just how much of his lift has been robbed by this injury. Duncan has never been a huge above the rim player, but he has definetly had a much better set of legs than he has right now.

    In no way is this taking anything away from Detroit because every team has injuries at this point of the year, but count your blessings that Duncan's legs aren't all there. It's definetly been a factor.

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    I'll let history be the judge. Surely, Tim will be remembered (when all is said and done) as one of the greatest P.FWD's of ALL TIME.

    Sheed will be remembered for having the most technicals, sporting that stupid WWF belt over his shoulder, and being scorched by the most beautiful, clutch 3 pointers of all time. That is -- if he is remembered at all.
    Sheed's a teammate, not an individual - he could give a <bleep> less about being remembered individually ... Rings speak louder than individual recognition.

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    What you seem to forget it Rasheed never wanted to be a 20 & 10 guy, he was forced into that position in Portland and never succeded.
    Exactly. He can't.

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    Sheed has the fortune of being on the right team. His game fits in very well with Detroit, but he's not a player that would go well with very many teams. He may say he doesn't care about individual awards and acolades, but you have to remember two things. Professional athleates very rarely admit to wanting those awards. And secondly, he's not in a position to gain any awards, so it really is moot. Yeah, someone the fact that I don't get the NBA MVP award doesn't bother me either.

    Sheed wears his heart on his sleeve, and I don't doubt he has desire and passion for the game. But like someone mentoined, it's his brain that is usually questioned.

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    There's something else going on about the hate on TD, though.

    Let's take Shaq for example instead of Rasheed (who even Piston fans recognize is not the same caliber player that TD is).

    Shaq wasn't called out for not having "heart" when he sat out two games of the playoffs. He hasn't been called soft, even though he's been beaten by these Pistons twice now.

    So how come Tim's heart and toughness comes into question? Because our basketball culture is so ed up. Piston fans are the one who should recognize this symptom more than anyone else.

    If you don't have at ude like AI or KG, then you have no heart (even though they have won no Rings). If you don't hard foul everyone who comes near you like Karl Malone, you don't have toughness (even though Tim has 2 Rings to Karl's Zero).

    If you play like a team, and have to sacrifice your own numbers for a win, then you are a Champion. Duncan does not need to have a triple-double and/or score 30+ points to be a Champion tonight. He just needs do his part.

    No matter who wins, I don't see how you can question the Heart of any of these two Champion teams playing a Game 7 in the Finals. That's just wrong, and everyone here knows better.

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    Rasheed is not a superstar.

    Tim is widely regarded as one of the top three players in the game, and certainly the best in this series. Of course he'll be scrutinized far more than anyone else.

    He is now wearing the crown, and accepting the burden, that DRob had all those years. Because he isn't flamboyant and approaches the game with humility he is an easy target for loud-mouthed talking media heads who either never played the game or weren't half the player Tim is.

    Win or lose it's all on Timmy's shoulders now.

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    Why are Pistons fans pissed off about hearing about Tim's ankles? It's a well known fact that he's not at 100%. To say that he shouldn't be playing is just idiotic. Duncan at 80% is still better than 99% of the players in this leauge, and still good enough to be putting up good numbers against the defensive player of the year.

    But if don't think it's not hurting him then you are smoking some good . The putback - or putback that never was - epitmized just how much of his lift has been robbed by this injury. Duncan has never been a huge above the rim player, but he has definetly had a much better set of legs than he has right now.

    In no way is this taking anything away from Detroit because every team has injuries at this point of the year, but count your blessings that Duncan's legs aren't all there. It's definetly been a factor.
    He'd get grilled in Detroit for taking 3 months to get better from a sprained ankle. Seriously, is that the longest time ever anyone has been limited by a sprain?

    Count your blessings that Rip, Ben, and Prince aren't healthy either...

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    Sheed has the fortune of being on the right team. His game fits in very well with Detroit, but he's not a player that would go well with very many teams. He may say he doesn't care about individual awards and acolades, but you have to remember two things. Professional athleates very rarely admit to wanting those awards. And secondly, he's not in a position to gain any awards, so it really is moot. Yeah, someone the fact that I don't get the NBA MVP award doesn't bother me either.

    Sheed wears his heart on his sleeve, and I don't doubt he has desire and passion for the game. But like someone mentoined, it's his brain that is usually questioned.
    Alright Spurs fans, one of your own just rewrote what I've said twice in this post... want to rip MannyIsGod now?

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    Why are Pistons fans pissed off about hearing about Tim's ankles? It's a well known fact that he's not at 100%. To say that he shouldn't be playing is just idiotic. Duncan at 80% is still better than 99% of the players in this leauge, and still good enough to be putting up good numbers against the defensive player of the year.

    Same reason Spurs fans hate to see the Pistons whine about officiating. It's a built in excuse for losing.

    Tim Duncan may not be at 100%, but who is?

    Did you know that Ben Wallace has bone spurs in one of his feet that will require surgery after the playoffs? Of course not, you won't hear anyone bringing it up to make it an excuse. You probably didn't know that Ben Wallace's son had surgery a few weeks ago and one of his childhood friends was killed in a car accident, that had likely affected his play in the Miami series and early on in this series.

    But, like Tim's ankles or Tim's pregnant wife, why bring that up? You still have to play the games.

    Bad ankles or not, Tim's out there playing and competing. He's not making the excuses. Nor should the media or you Spurs fans on his behalf.

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    He'd get grilled in Detroit for taking 3 months to get better from a sprained ankle. Seriously, is that the longest time ever anyone has been limited by a sprain?

    Count your blessings that Rip, Ben, and Prince aren't healthy either...

    Yep, that Tim, he's really blown it for the Spurs. It took 7 games to do to the Pistons what the Spurs should've done in 4.

    And how the are Rip, Ben and Prince injured?

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    What heart?

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    Tim is widely regarded as one of the top three players in the game, and certainly the best in this series. Of course he'll be scrutinized far more than anyone else.

    Tim is definitely a great player and among the best in the league.

    But, I don't think it's "CERTAIN" that he's been the best player in this series. Chauncey Billups has been pretty good the whole series himself. Argue it all you want, but Chauncey has been at the very least AS GOOD as Duncan has been in this series.

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    No one here is using that as an excuse. Well, no one who knows better, but there are plenty of idiot fans of each team to go around. And like I said, everyone has injuries at this time of the year.

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    He'd get grilled in Detroit for taking 3 months to get better from a sprained ankle. Seriously, is that the longest time ever anyone has been limited by a sprain?

    Count your blessings that Rip, Ben, and Prince aren't healthy either...
    He'd get grilled? WTF? You think he doesn't want it to get healthy? I'm sure if he took enough time off it would be healthy, but the fact is that the ankle isn't going to be any better untill it has substantial time to repair. READ : The offseason. He's out there because the Spurs need him, and because of his heart.

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    Bull . Duncan played like a star games 5 and 6 (the little they got the ball to him.)
    Pseudo-chokes aside, Duncans got the heart.
    If stars miss critical FTs

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    Chauncy's been a good scorer.

    Tims been the 2nd best scorer...and the 1st best offensive rebounder...the 1st best defensive rebounder, more blocks than chauncy...etc.

    Chauncy's been a good scorer...and he hasn't turned over the ball.

    But, they ain't comparable.

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    Yep, that Tim, he's really blown it for the Spurs. It took 7 games to do to the Pistons what the Spurs should've done in 4.

    And how the are Rip, Ben and Prince injured?
    Rip has a bad calf, Prince an ankle that will require surgery and Ben bone spurs that will require surgery.

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    IMO Duncan is the best player in the series....I just don't think he is playing the best in the series. I never question Wallace's heart, just his mind. He has acted stupidly over the years and it has cost him. Passion is great but you have to use that to your advantage and Rasheed hasn't always done that.

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    He'd get grilled? WTF? You think he doesn't want it to get healthy? I'm sure if he took enough time off it would be healthy, but the fact is that the ankle isn't going to be any better untill it has substantial time to repair. READ : The offseason. He's out there because the Spurs need him, and because of his heart.

    I'm just saying that some fans would be all over him here for that. Is he gonna need surgery or just rest?

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    nobody is totally healthy this time of year.

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