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He's definatley shown more heart than Tim lately.
No one ever question's Rasheed Wallace's heart or toughness. Why is that? He plays the same position as Tim.
It's because Tim is so damn good, that great things are expected from him.
Tim had played good basketball in this series.
Consider these finals stats:
Tim is 2nd only to Billups in pts per game
Tim is 1st in rebounds (offensive and defensive)
Tim is 2nd only to Richard Hamilton in TOTAL MINUTES PLAYED
Tim had 6 double-doubles, compared with only 3 for Ben Wallace and 0, zilch, nada for Rasheed Wallace.
The only place where he lags behind the brothers Wallace is in blocks. That's because the Pistons are not really driving into the paint. Why drive, when your shooting such a high percentage of jump shots. Hopefully, that will change tonight.
He's definatley shown more heart than Tim lately.
It takes heart to jack up a 3?
Bull . Duncan played like a star games 5 and 6 (the little they got the ball to him.)
Pseudo-chokes aside, Duncans got the heart.
He wears it on his sleeve - his putback in game 7 vs. Miami w/ under 1:00 to go closed out the Heat and his putback at end of game 6 tied this series...It takes heart to jack up a 3?
What you seem to forget it Rasheed never wanted to be a 20 & 10 guy, he was forced into that position in Portland and never succeded. He's in a system where he can be a complementry player and he's excelled in it.
Since when did performance in the clutch == heart.
Get yer lingo right. How does wearing his heart on his sleeve have any relevance to his putback on the Heat?
That's because he doesn't have the heart to be the player Tim is. That was the original thought of my post.
Sheed has been bailed out multiple times this series. He has shown nothing special this series.
Sheed's brain usually takes most of the heat.
It's all relative. People want to compare Duncan to the all time greats. And while he's certainly comparable to many of them, people question his desire when compared to totally driven guys like Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc. Guys that would rip your head off to win a game if they had too. The media expects Duncan to perform with that same sort of intensity. And when he doesn't, there's a little bit of backlash. It doesn't mean Timmy's not a great, great player.
As for Sheed, people do quesition his motivation and drive at times, but since he's settled into a role player position, he's not someone that shoulders the burden of his team's success by himself.
I hope Sheed has a couple of tantrums tonight and gets ejected. Sheed is a good jump shooter. I'll give him that. But not half as good as Dirk Novitzki (sp?). And he's a decent defender. But not as good as Duncan.
Let's see Sheed play the post like Tim and get his arms sledge hammered on every possession. We'd see how much "heart" he really has.
As they were leaving the practice facility Wednesday, the morning of their final shootaround together, [Bonzi] Wells and [Rasheed] Wallace saw Ruben Boumtje Boumtje shooting jump shots some 100 feet away with his back turned to them.
Wallace slapped Wells on the back and said, "Watch this." Then he picked up a ball, reared back and fired a 100-foot, baseball-style strike that left Boumtje Boumtje writhing the floor. Trainers were summoned. After a few scary minutes, Boumtje Boumtje walked off, OK.
Wells and Wallace?
They giggled like schoolchildren and ran away the moment their teammate hit the canvas."
was suspended for seven games for "confronting and threatening" a referee near the loading docks outside the Rose Garden
If that's not heart I don't know what is.
at being ejected tonight...
After watching this series, I don't see TD as #1 All-Defensive team guy. IMO, it's the most overrated part of his game.
TD is going up against BOTH wallace's singlehandedly and outplaying BOTH of them at times.
Naz has been mia for 4 games, and rasho...uh, he's rasho.
Not to mention Detroit has Mcdyess off the bench.
TD is all heart.
Wallace, as said, is a secondary role player. He's got talent, no doubt. But he's not half the man TD is. Recognize.
If you want to live in the past, talk to me about last year's 2-0 lead on the Lakers. If you want to talk about the future, talk to me tomorrow about blowing 2-0 leads 2 consecutive years.
If THAT'S not heart. I don't know what is.
I recognize that Tim couldn't tip in a shot at the end of the 4th Q in Game 5 (don't give me the BS about his ankles, if they're that much of a problem, he shouldn't be playing) yet Rasheed tipped in the shot to win Game 7 vs. Miami and the shot to beat S.A. in Game 6 with less than 2:00 to go.
Recognize?
Last edited by wsdp; 06-23-2005 at 02:33 PM. Reason: grammar police made an issue... SHOULDN'T is correct
recognize that it's 3-3 and it's what they do TONIGHT that counts.
Well, at least you have one point correct it's YOUR opinion.
I'll let history be the judge. Surely, Tim will be remembered (when all is said and done) as one of the greatest P.FWD's of ALL TIME.
Sheed will be remembered for having the most technicals, sporting that stupid WWF belt over his shoulder, and being scorched by the most beautiful, clutch 3 pointers of all time. That is -- if he is remembered at all.
A few points ...
Rasheed doesn't care what people write or say about him.
In the championship DVD from last year, Rasheed was quoted as saying "I'm not in this game to be in the hall of fame. I'm not in it for scoring les or to set defensive records. I'm in this game for moments like this ... to win championships."
Rasheed is not the unquestioned leader of the Pistons. Ben Wallace and Chauncey are. That's why Rasheed's heart is not in question the way Tim Duncan's heart is.
Rasheed being suspended for seven games for confronting a referee outside the stadium was a dumb act and he was wrong for it. But, it shows how much he cares about the game. No justification for it, but he's that passionate about winning and losing.
I just think KG had a better year...
Took the words right out of my mouth.
It's like 'Sheed's Nike ad; "the worst thing you can do...is give it room to breathe....BREATHE.....
<aaHOO!>
......'cause it'll probably get T'd up"
(j/k - all love to Sheed)
A better year than who? Darko?
A better year than TD. Health, points, rebs, assists, steals, FG%, FT%...
It's my bad, I thought KG was 2nd team all defensive...
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