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I don't think so. Name me another PG with his age and ability you would trade him for.
Hes twenty in three.I have a question for all the hard-core Tony Parker lovers: How many more years do you think it will take before Tony is a complete point guard?
Holy people.....
I don't think so. Name me another PG with his age and ability you would trade him for.
you already have him.. beno udrih!!but we need to wait a year or two for him.. he need to develop his game in all ways, to become a real starting material for spurs.
I am not looking and waiting for Parker to be a "complete" PG like Kidd, Nash, etc. That isn't his game and I don't expect that to ever be his game. Each PG has his own way of running the offense within a certain team and each PG does different things that are needed for his team: No one team is the same just like No one PG is the same.
All I am looking for from Parker is better FT shooting, better passes off his penetrations, and a more consistent Jump Shot. His assists are never going to average around 8 or 9--Spurs play a little something called motion offense and like to share the ball.
I agree, Parker does get greedy and stubborn at times, trying to look more to score himself then get a high % shot for his team-mates. But that aspect of his game has improved tremendously since years past and I expect that to continue. I think this is the area that Pop will really have to mentor Tony on in future seasons.
Be happy with what you have, guys. Parker may or may not be a Top 5/10 PG in this league, but he did somehow, crazy as it is to believe, lead the Spurs through 105 games this season and he came out with another ring at age 23. Nash is still looking for his despite being a "complete PG" Kidd is still looking for his despite being a "complete PG."
And for those who argue that you don't want him to be a THIRD option, but rather a PG, you need to broaden your horizons and basketball IQ. Just because he is a PG doesn't mean he can't be a scoring option for the team. Assist average don't tell the whole story on a person's game.
I'm not buying it. I LOVE parker, beleive me, I love his heart. But at some points Spurs gotta say, he will never develop to being the PG we want him to be. ANd don't mention his age, how long has he been in this league already?
I'm not saying we trade him. I'm just saying Spurs gotta realize, this is what you gonna get from now on. Don't expect anything more.
I wish peps would stop hating and listen to Pop and his teammates. They would know more than wannabe internet GM's.Q. Can you talk about the success your defense had toward the end of the game and the stops you made on Chauncey Billups towards the end?
COACH GREGG POPOVICH: Well, they did a good job, I don't know how else to say it. Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen and Manu on the perimeter, all three of them I thought were very special down the stretch the last five or six minutes in a defensive way. Manu is going to be a do a little bit more for us offensively at this point than Bruce and Tony. But I'll tell you, Tony was real key defensively on the perimeter, and Manu and Bruce followed suit. Bruce is always there doing it, but you add Tony and he does what he did at that point, you know, we were really good on the perimeter on D and I thought that got us stops, got us going back the other way. Fast.
Thank you all, women, ladies, you're all great.
Its not hating on Parker , Ghost Writer is just making a point and his point is right on , Parker was being killed by billups and Pop had to make switch to put Bowen on Billups pop also to the ball out his hand and made Manu and Bowen take the ball up the court and start the offensive not because parker couldnt do it but with manu and barry passing the ball into duncan it gave the spurs a bigger threat from the 3 pt land and the pistons could not sag down and help on defense ..
look at parkers history he really struggles when the opsing team clogs up the lane and thats where most of his game is !
i remember steve kerr having to come in and run point when parker struggling now barry and manu had to help this year .. he has to to come up with a more reliable second move when he cant drive to the basket he needs to have that midrange if not a deadly 3 point shot .
1Parker1,
Thank you for your honest response.
Well, it's a damn good thing you don't work for the Spurs organization. Many people around this Forum quickly forget that Manu Ginobili was not exactly the most consistent, great offensive player he is now. Last season, his name was mentioned right there with Parker's about inconsistency and TO's.
Now look at how much he has improved his game at the age of 28 (or however old he is). If Manu can take his game to the next level, why can't Tony Parker? Because he doesn't have as much heart? That's debatable--try watching the double OT win against GS this year, try watching that Clippers game earlier in the season when he made the game winning layup with about 4.3 sec on the shot. Or try watching that game against Cleveland where he ran the perfect pick and role that got Duncan open for an easy shot that won us the game.
Parker had a bad game last night, I am not denying that. But to base your opinions on what he did in one game or one series, while negating all his great moments this season is just stupid.
I think TP has regressed as a playmaker/passer over the last year, in correlation to his improvement in FG% and getting into the lane. I don't think it's entirely his fault.
There was a ~10-game stretch in December 03 where Tony was a classic fast break-and-disk PG, averaging like 10-12 points and 10 APG.
This year, it seems Pop and the coaches have emphasized him being more aggressive about taking it to the rack and getting his shot off. The problem with this is that he often outruns not only the defense but also his teammates, so if he doesn't have a good look he also doesn't have an outlet and gets trapped on the baseline.
On the Pistons, it seemed every time Billups penetrated, there was a secondary cutter coming down the lane to get a dish from him. On the Spurs with Tony, it seems this doesn't happen nearly enough. I don't know why this is.
We all know his J needs work (oh, okay, it sucks). But it also seems to me that when he takes a jumper off a catch-and-shoot, he's not nearly as bad as when he takes a J off the dribble.
He definitely needs to work on his jumper. If I were him, I'd forget about the 3-pointers this year and just work on a decent 18-footer. But I also think the Spurs need to take better advantage of the chaos he causes when he breaks down the defense on the pentration.
I see a more 'Marbury's mentality' in that kind of 'workout'...working out focusing more in becoming a better scorer instead of focusing in becoming a better passer or improving the court vision ...those are the main shortcomings of Parker as a PG, not scoring skills, don't you think?
There's a difference, Manu was already a great player when he came from Italy, it was more an issue of the role assigned by Pop to him than the lack of skills what made Manu contribute less in the past...the current Manu is more product of more confidence and more responsabilities asigned to him...
If not, think about it, it's logic that in Manu's first year Parker was ahead of him, and in following years,d espite manu beeing older, got more progress than parker?
Parker has the single greatest upside of ANY Spur.
He will START his prime in 5 seasons.
The Spurs played Nash in the playoffs when he was 23; AJ DESTROYED him (and got the better of that version of J. Kidd as well) - Parker would have lit that Avery like a Christmas tree!
If you aren't yet 30; you can't understand (I wouldn't have), but you learn to do ALL kinds of things better from age 20 - 35 - and the physical, muscular peak holds just about through that perid. Just as Manu and Tim begin to slow slightly, believe me, the NBA will FEAR Tony Parker.
"Big Nuts", "Big Nuts"
My only complaint with Tony's game is with his court vision and ability to find the open man. He's not a great finisher at the hoop againt the top defensive teams primarily because the defense knows he can't dish it real well. . .yet.
I do think he can develop that part of his game. There are a lot of guards who seem to develop better and better court vision the longer they're around. Nash and Kidd are two examples. Kidd has always been a great passer, but he's better the older he gets, same for Nash. Parker may not ever be at that level, but he makes up for it with his speed -- he can get to the rim when those guys can't.
He's been the starting point guard on two championship teams so far. . .not bad for a 23 year old.
Tony is doing what the coaches are telling him to do. It's pretty clear that they don't want him/expect him to be a pass-first PG in this system. If opponents have to respect his jumper, it will open up every thing else, including his playmaking.
He can work on the fundamentals, but great court vision is something people either do or don't have. I disagree that Kidd and Nash "developed" their court vision. Kidd had that court vision when I saw him play for Cal.
What he said.
If you don't expect more, then don't complain when you don't GET more.
That settles that.
I don't see Tony's court "vision" improving a lot, but as he plays with the same players for years and years, he should begin to develop an instinct about where they are on the floor without having to see them. A lot of times, it's more about awareness than vision.
Areas where I think we can hope for improvement are his jump shooting, his strength and his focus.
Sorry. But anyone calling himself the "Spurminator" is not to be taken seriously.
Well put.
I have to agree with Shoog here, Court vision is something you're born with, just like natural intelligence is, training can improve other things, but not natural court vision, I also have seen Manu's games in his youth, and he always had a great court vision, court vision can be improved only in limited level, it seems...
However, despite the difficult to improve court vision, I guess one can improve at ude, trying to be more aware of open (not asking to make no-look passes, just pass the ball to the blatanlty open one) teammates (something still lacking in Tony, when he goes on sutbborn mode trying to score)...
lol.....
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