I don't have a horse in this race

[MannyIsGod]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's nearly as progressive as many make him out to be on BOTH sides of the aisle. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.

[Homeland Security]

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's a full-bore Marxist-Leninist like me but rather just a Fabian socialist. Something's better than nothing I guess. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

[DarrinS]

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's a full-bore Marxist-Leninist like me but rather just a Fabian socialist. Something's better than nothing I guess. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.

[LnGrrrR]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?

Uhm.... I've got nothing, other than

1) Better chance of continued/new war if Romney gets into office

2) I don't give a if rich people have to pay a few more taxes

[101A]

I am voting for the candidate that will take the least amount of money from me. I believe that is Romney. Neither candidate has decided to truly tackle the deficit. This is why they propose plans that will reduce the deficit over 10-20 years as opposed to reducing it next year. I believe that our government is essentially dumping a 50,000+ price tag to the back of each of my children. If I can leave my kids a healthy inheritance, then I am doing everything I can do to make a change in their lives.

There are some things I like about Romney, whether they turn to success at the presidential level is anyone’s guess:

1. A very successful record at Bain Capital making a great deal of money for his investors. People like to focus on the stories of failure and discount the fact that Bain Capital was regarded as one of the best private equity firms while Romney was running it.

2. I participated as a volunteer in the 2002 Winter Games in SLC and saw that Romney did an excellent job. Obviously there were many people that made the games a success but Romney did an excellent job and that was not really debated at the time. When you consider the corruption that had taken place leading up to his appointment, it is remarkable what he did to lead those games.

3. I liked his health care bill in Massachusetts. While I believe that it is uncons utional at the federal level, it shows that Romney listened to his voters and passed a bill that the people of Massachusetts wanted.

4. He was able to work with a state legislature that was full of democrats. I would imagine he would bring a more moderate at ude to the White House.

These are a few of the things I like. He certainly has plenty of faults. I, like everyone else would like more specifics, but neither politician really gives specifics. I could not bring myself to vote for McCain last election. I can’t bring myself to sit out this one. I don’t think that Obama has been a good president I think that Romney has the potential to be a great president. I won’t hold my breath though.

One last thing, regardless who wins, I really don’t think much is going to change. To me, Washington has become a place where people run because they feel that they are en led to the positions. Gone are the days when the citizen calls on the candidates to run, they run, win and then move on to the next phase of their lives. People like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jackson, Madison, Truman these were great presidents, statesmen who served their time and then moved on. We don’t see this type of politician anymore. Sad really.

Great post.

[101A]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

Fair enough.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't see how Romney would be able to bring a "moderate" voice to the WH. If anything, he's had to push to the right this entire campaign. That doesn't sound like someone who's willing to buck the powers-that-be in the Republican party.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I call bull on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

[101A]

I call bull on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

I've never claimed to be neutral politically. I am certainly conservative. However, if you had made an even cursory search, you would find this:

Romney.

Does anyone think Mitt ing Romney has any solution to anything; if he is not the definition of "same old, same old" I don't know what is. Nothing original, nothing daring; milquetoast - I'll vote Obama (has been worse than I thought he would be, btw)- just to make sure we keep divided govt.

If the country chooses a Republican now; in 4 years they can choose a generic Dem; we continue our slide to oblivion. This country NEEDS different; we CANNOT keep barreling down the path of crony capitalism; there is NOT a hairs breadth difference between what Romney and Obama bring to the table other than the name of their teams.

Oh, and Massachusetts? Dukakis, Kerry, etc.....Americans DON'T vote for these guys!!! Stop nominating them!!!

Must be the whole New Hampshire effect; gives them unwarranted early momentum.

I hope Paul runs as a third party; at least give me someone to vote for I don't despise.

I guess you have a great memory; even I don't remember ranting that I would vote for Obama. Oh well, I have changed my mind about THAT part of the post.

[101A]

BTW, there's more out there, but my purpose was not to make this thread about me.

[Drachen]

I call bull on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

Does it matter, the premise of the post is still a good thought exercise. One that pretty much ran smack into a wall. He didn't respond argumen ively to the posts from either side. I don't get why bull needs to be called.

[Koolaid_Man]

I am voting for the candidate that will take the least amount of money from me. I believe that is Romney. Neither candidate has decided to truly tackle the deficit. This is why they propose plans that will reduce the deficit over 10-20 years as opposed to reducing it next year. I believe that our government is essentially dumping a 50,000+ price tag to the back of each of my children. If I can leave my kids a healthy inheritance, then I am doing everything I can do to make a change in their lives.

There are some things I like about Romney, whether they turn to success at the presidential level is anyone’s guess:

1. A very successful record at Bain Capital making a great deal of money for his investors. People like to focus on the stories of failure and discount the fact that Bain Capital was regarded as one of the best private equity firms while Romney was running it.

2. I participated as a volunteer in the 2002 Winter Games in SLC and saw that Romney did an excellent job. Obviously there were many people that made the games a success but Romney did an excellent job and that was not really debated at the time. When you consider the corruption that had taken place leading up to his appointment, it is remarkable what he did to lead those games.

3. I liked his health care bill in Massachusetts. While I believe that it is uncons utional at the federal level, it shows that Romney listened to his voters and passed a bill that the people of Massachusetts wanted.

4. He was able to work with a state legislature that was full of democrats. I would imagine he would bring a more moderate at ude to the White House.

These are a few of the things I like. He certainly has plenty of faults. I, like everyone else would like more specifics, but neither politician really gives specifics. I could not bring myself to vote for McCain last election. I can’t bring myself to sit out this one. I don’t think that Obama has been a good president I think that Romney has the potential to be a great president. I won’t hold my breath though.

One last thing, regardless who wins, I really don’t think much is going to change. To me, Washington has become a place where people run because they feel that they are en led to the positions. Gone are the days when the citizen calls on the candidates to run, they run, win and then move on to the next phase of their lives. People like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jackson, Madison, Truman these were great presidents, statesmen who served their time and then moved on. We don’t see this type of politician anymore. Sad really.

You'd make an excellent fictional writer.

Point. 1...the government is not a private equity firm and you'd have to be a complete re to even entertain such a notion. Government has to work for the people all people not just private investors.

Point 2... The winter Olympics in the middle of no man's Utah was 90% funded by the US government. Or close to it.

Point 3....you sound butthurt...the Supreme court ruled it was cons utionalPeriod!

Point4....as governor of Mass. His state was 47 out of 50 in job creation

Point 5. He believes his god is a 6'2 man that lives on planet Kolob....this is the real disqualifier to me...this belief is far worse than the 77 virgin theory

[Homeland Security]

Koolaid damn it, I told you you're not supposed to post in this forum.

[Homeland Security]

Did he post anything else while I was asleep?

[cheguevara]

doesn't really matter who you vote for or if you vote. the outcome has been settled already. Unfortunately we are living in a 2 party Fascist system. These dems and reps guys decided long ago they will be the only 2 players in the game and will take turns at the helm every so often years.

Does it not ring any bell that in the last 50 years both parties have held same number of presidencies

the system unfortunately is rigged.

[Juggity]

I can see this is a mighty challenge for both sides of this argument:

Maybe this will help (this woman HAS a reason for voting for Obama).

Both sides have their nutjob supporters. One side keeps trying to elect the nutjobs to the presidency. Luckily there are primaries, and the nutjobs will never end up at the top of the ticket (lest they lose in embarrassing fashion).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Uhm.... I've got nothing, other than

1) Better chance of continued/new war if Romney gets into office

really?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...-in-iraq-again

[LnGrrrR]

really?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...-in-iraq-again

I don't think the odds are low for an Obama campaign... I just think they're closer to 80% for Obama, while the Romney presidency would be nearer to 95%.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't think the odds are low for an Obama campaign... I just think they're closer to 80% for Obama, while the Romney presidency would be nearer to 95%.

interesting thinking there. despite romney not boasting about being the one that's "bringing home the troops" dot dot dot
SMH