Clueless.
Doesn't Manu already have contracts with some big Argentine companies too? So that adds to his overall income. He doesn't seem like the type who is afraid to ask for what he deserves, but from what I see he likes winning even more than money. If he's 2005-06 or Finals MVP next year, then yes, I would renegotiate with management.
You're in for a real disappointment.
As much money as they generate, trust me if you worked for one of those players or profited off of what they do you too would think they are underpaid. Those guys make a lot of money for a lot of people. Think of all the positive publicity they bring to our market and the impact that will have in recruiting future corporations like Toyota.I would like for you find ONE person other than yourself and Latrell Sprewell who think NBA players are underpaid.
Huge value!
You're one to talk...
OH MY GOSH!!! Are you delusional?! DOCTORS do more for this world than freaking basketball players and you don't see them making $52 million.
Is this a serious thread?
I didn't know whether or not to laugh.
Whenever I order food at a French restaurant, I always pay more and get less.
I think you are wrong. Plain and simple. Manu had the option to go elsewhere if he wanted. He could have taken a smaller contract (lengthwise). Dude is making $52 million over the course of his contract. Tony is worth his money.
Think about what factors into it - position, minutes, past performance, future performance projections, cap room, future players, etc. Players know when they are getting a good deal. We may think Manu is worth $52 million, but consider that last year's free agent contracts were freaking insane. Turkoglu, even after his choke performance, went for $39million - you want to talk about overpaid . . . had his contract come up the year before he would probably only have gotten $36-40 million because that was what the rate was that summer.
My point is that it is unrealistic for players to cry about their enormously high salaries because someone else (on their team or otherwise) is making more when that contract is negotiated at a different time.
Regardless, we are not talking about the types of players who give a . They play to win. They enjoy the game and won't pass up a pretty fair deal because of ego.
If there is, he's not the player we all think he is. He'd be Sam Cassell in that case.14 million is a lot of money. Maybe the endorsement money changes , if there is some, emotional baggage.
He can't renegotiate, so he'd only have himself to blame.
Personally I think it's a nonissue -- Manu's about to cash in mightily with endorsements.
I don't know Manu or Tim personally so I could be wrong...but I really think they don't give a rat's ass if someone makes more than them. I really think that all they care about is having a chance to win more les which is good because in sports, winning championships is more important than making money. Anyone who thinks the opposite has their priorities mixed up and is a cancer to any team they belong to.
Whenever I order food at a French restaurant, I always pay more and get less.
If money was in issue for any of these guys, they would have bolted at the end of their deals. Manu would be a Nugget and Parker would be somewhere else. This isn't a problem and probably will never be a problem with these guys.
Wow... this thread, well original post, must be a joke?
It has to be,
No one can be that damn ignorant and stupid at the same time.
It's a valid idea, but I don't think it's much of a concern at this point. Manu is going to rake in endorsement deals and fame.
Besides that (though maybe we don't know him well enough to say for certain), Manu strikes me as one of the most victory-motivated players in sports. He gives 110% every night, and I don't think it would be any different if he was playing for the minimum or the maximum. Just my opinion.
Aside from that, he knows that Tim Duncan makes the Spurs Engine run... he's said as much on several occasions. Unless he overdoses on his own ego at some point in the future, he knows his best situation is here.
Honestly, I'm sure it will cross his mind that he should probably be getting paid as much as Parker. He's human... we all think in those terms. But he's also smart enough to realize that the consequences of joining another team may outweigh the monetary benefits.
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Right now Ginobili has basically accomplished everything that he could possibly have hoped to do when he started playing basketball. He could retire tomorrow and be a happy and very wealthy man. He's playing for the love of the game right now, not money.
Well, Bruce is underpayd too, why don't we throw him into the theory as well. Seriously, especially if SA is winning and the guys enjoy where they live, it is probably a moot point. I highly foubt that a couple more million (once you get into the multi, multimillion dollar area) increases the quality of life very much.
"Here me out on this one."
First, you put the entire 06 le on Robert.
Second, you worry about TP vs MG salary differences.
Third, will your dumb continue until the pre-season?
That's a nice scenerio and all, but it doesn't have much relevance to Tony and Manu. First of all, they don't play the same position. Second of all, I don't think it's 'ridiculously' clear that Manu is a 'far superior employee.' So the comparison between Nazr and Tim vs. Tony and Manu is flawed from the very beginning.
Look at what good point guards make. They are in demand because there aren't that many of them. Look at what good swing players make. Swing players are a dime a dozen. There are lots of good ones. They are in less demand and the ones that aren't absolute superstars simply aren't going to get as much as a good point guard in today's market. I hope that Manu has a better idea about the economic realities of basketball than you do.Now consider if Nazr Mohammed was given a contract that paid him alot more than Tim Duncan, though Tim wouldn't grip would he feel underappreciated?
Yet you do understand that concept and you are above average. Give me a freakin' break.now for the average person that concept can be hard to understand.
No. Horry is about to cash in because he does tangible things like make three pointers at the ends of games and plays good defense. Horry is going to do well in the offseason if he wants to because he can point to the tanglible, identifiable, and measurable things that he does.Robert Horry is about to Cash in that intangible thing
But that logic, many players on the Spurs should be getting 'something extra.' Should Bruce Bowen be pissed because Malik Rose and Rasho made more money than him? If teams should promise something to players each time a player with less talent makes more money, every team in the league is going to be promising a lot of things to a lot of players. That's just silly.spurs have a lot more class than most organizations so you won't see anything close to that. However, the spurs should promise something extra after Manu's contract is up.
Please enlighten me. With things like labor costs, labor skill, tax laws, location, distribution, and other things being some of the primary things that business use to make decisions on where to locate, please explain how having a professional sports team in town is really going to make a large difference. Sure, it may be nice, but the Spurs won't create enough revenue opportunities for big businesses to choose San Antonio because they play there. It might help a little bit in some cirumstances, but be realistic.As much money as they generate, trust me if you worked for one of those players or profited off of what they do you too would think they are underpaid. Those guys make a lot of money for a lot of people. Think of all the positive publicity they bring to our market and the impact that will have in recruiting future corporations like Toyota.
I'll trust you if you can show that you have a really good grasp on what you've been talking about. You haven't yet.trust me
We will have to disagree that it’s not ridiculously clear that Manu is a far superior employee. Though I bet 9 out of 10 people would start with Manu before Tony.
Tell me what the avg top 5 point guards make vs the avg top 5 swing players? If there’s a wide disparity and then I’ll agree with you. I don’t think you will find one.
Absolutely!
Look at your sentence three pointers at the END OF GAMES. What is it in Robert Horry that allows him to do that better than anyone else? There is an intangible quality about him.
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The water is muddier when talking about role players. But I’m open minded enough to consider you might be right.
Never said that was their only value, but one part. City did pay $500 million to keep their team, so there must be some economic value. Imagine if the team actually left, I bet the city would ante up a billion dollars to get them back.
Not going to fight with you because you made an attempt to address each point.
He's by far the most popular spur and will cash in big on endorsements and will ulitmately make more than Tony. Hopefully he knows the large contract to Tony had a little to do with the Jason Kidd ordeal, because I don't think Tony would get $11 per year on the open market.
Actually, ironically, the best plastic surgeons, arguably the least "helpful to the world" among doctors, do make many millions per year.
Money value "is not equal to" practical value. And it'll stay that way as long as consumers are more willing to spend money on tickets than charity.
Let's get something straight here -- contracts can't be renegotiated.
It's done.
If Manu was about money he'd be in Denver or somewhere else.
That's done too.
I'm not going to speculate that he's petty enough to be jealous of Tony's contract. Come out and say it if you think that's the case. If it's going to affect his play, he doesn't deserve any more money anyway.
He'd likely get more on the open market than he did with the Spurs, so what's the point?Hopefully he knows the large contract to Tony had a little to do with the Jason Kidd ordeal, because I don't think Tony would get $11 per year on the open market.
All that money to make us men happy and you're complaining?Actually, ironically, the best plastic surgeons, arguably the least "helpful to the world" among doctors, do make many millions per year.
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