looooooooooooooooooooooool hey spursda one, for every post of urs i read, ur gettin to be more of a little for real
lets see the people u named that he had help from,
first ring, he has an old robinson, but still good ill grant u that
but mario ellie, sean elliot, y namin those 2 like they are allstars, or superstars,
second ring, manu is a sub, less then 10 points, he even admitted couple weeks ago he didnt have much of an impact on the team, lets see, stephen jackson wat the man, u ever hear of him before the playoffs now ur makin it seem like he is kobe or something, and stever kerr, cmon on man that guy does wat he does cuz of superstars like Jordan and duncan, not the other way around u dumb .
the 3rd ring ill give his teammates credit for, this is the 1 championship ill say he needed and got some serious help, but the other 2, that was like 95% duncan
yes Duncan had help but no player can do it alone. Jordan couldn't, Magic couldn't, Hakeem couldn't. Its about being a team and I think, slowly but surely, the Spurs as a team are getting it. Then again, if they don't...who cares? As long as they keep winning championships, history will be on their side.
Very True....
My theory, the NBA and American media will never forgive him for making the US Olympic team look like a bunch of chumps.
If they want to point fingers for the bronze medal....the last place they want to look is Duncan.
A friend of mine thinks Manu is a great player but he doesn't like the fact that he's Argentinean.
He thinks Argentina is racist against black people. I don't know if that's true but he does loves Brazil because of their African roots. I tell him that Manu is a great guy and a hard worker. For me, I could never picture Ginobili being racist.
From what I have read from the Argentine posters here and other boards, I have a positive image of Argentina. I am not sure where my friend gets his opinions from but he does work for the US government and is a college grad.
To me, Manu Ginobili has been the epitome of class. He is a perfect fit for the San Antonio Spurs.
That was an example if you don't have the right players around you that you can't win. Garnett is the same thing. These players can't do everything for the team.
That was my point....exile said he thought the media might blame Tim for Athens...my point was if that was going to happen....look at Tims' teammates.That was an example if you don't have the right players around you that you can't win. Garnett is the same thing. These players can't do everything for the team.
I think the Athens fiasco had less to do with even the teammates than with the lack of time as a team. A lot of the best players backed out, and a good number on that team were last minute replacements. Very, very few teams can succeed in those cir stances, even with the best talent.
When you see this on your way home from work.....
This is about an hour from my house...
whoops, i'm not saying that Duncan made the US team look like chumps, I'm saying that Manu did. Damn pronoun usage.
Duncan got handcuffed by the massive difference in the way the refs call the NBA games and international games. , I played in a middle school game where our opponents forfeited because they couldn't field five guys thanks to refs calling the game super tight and I think they were being looser than the international refs.
No, I think that Manu has in some sense become a lightening rod for that frustration, not Tim.
frozen over?
damn...
I think that is a big part of it as well.I think the Athens fiasco had less to do with even the teammates than with the lack of time as a team. A lot of the best players backed out, and a good number on that team were last minute replacements. Very, very few teams can succeed in those cir stances, even with the best talent.
I agree completely. My point is why do 'Sheed and others only say only good things about Duncan but cannot bring themselves to say anything positive about Gino. Duncan and Gino equally burned the Pistons and one guy gets props for his play by his opponent and the other doesn't. It's like they have a personal axe to grind with Gino but Duncan can burn them and it's okay. Again I say that Fortson paid enough respect to apologize to Duncan for his fouls but Gino did not get that same respect. Is this lack of acknowledgement based on Gino as the player or the person?
I think that team in Athens had bad chemistry and Larry Brown should be blamed for the players he put on the floor. Why did Marbury start over Wade and Why didn't Stoudemire start. A.I and Marbury are used to being the main player on their team but have to share the ball and it just didn't fit. Duncan is not good in dominating a game for a team that sucks. The chemistry has to be there for Duncan to be effective.
Possibly has something to the fraternal brotherhood that exists among African-American players. I remember when Isaiah Thomas, during the 1987 playoffs, parroted Dennis Rodman and said that if Larry Bird were black he'd be just "another good guy" instead of being hyped as the league's best player. (Thomas later apologized to Bird and claimed he was joking).
Also, consider the source of your irritation, Danny Fortson and Rasheed Wallace.
We have many many maaaaaany flaws as a society but racist against black ppl is not 1 of them.
We "hate" Brazilians when it comes to soccer, no matter the color. The same way they hate us (tell me about it after yesterday's debacle).
5% of the population is black here.
We do have other forms of discrimination but no to extremes seen by the world in other countries (racist attacks, kkk kind of groups, etcetera).
We had nazis coming to Argentina after the WWII but as they were "under covered" their influence in our society was nullum.
So...tell your friend he has the right to dislike us, but he better does it by the right reasons and not only due misguided presumptions.
are yall still on that about ginobili not gettin the respect equal to duncan
loool look im gonna say it one more time, he has not done enough to warrant that amount of respect , its as simple as that
forget racism, or any other of that bull . Since when has it become that u can have great post season , and ur suddenly looked at like u would look at a duncan, or a kobe, or a shaq. He needs more seasons and playoff performances like this season to get that kind of respect , till then he wont get it , and he shouldnt either
multiple posts with the same message doesn't add credibility to your arguement. Lay it out there and let the readers decide if your reasoning merits any consideration. Unless you've talked to Fortson or Wallace your opinions are conjecture just like everyone elses.
Good sound reasoning, facts and diplomacy can win people to your point of view. You're not gonna intimidate or bully anyone into buying into your arguements.
Last edited by jochhejaam; 06-30-2005 at 07:57 PM.
Thank you, Athenea. Now I have ammo to throw back at my friend.We have many many maaaaaany flaws as a society but racist against black ppl is not 1 of them.
We "hate" Brazilians when it comes to soccer, no matter the color. The same way they hate us (tell me about it after yesterday's debacle
5% of the population is black here.
We do have other forms of discrimination but no to extremes seen by the world in other countries (racist attacks, kkk kind of groups, etcetera).
We had nazis coming to Argentina after the WWII but as they were "under covered" their influence in our society was nullum.
So...tell your friend he has the right to dislike us, but he better does it by the right reasons and not only due misguided presumptions.
Like I said, I have only the utmost respect for Manu and Argentina. I only asked him his opinion because it seemed like Manu wasn't getting the respect he deserves.
I don't know the history of Brazil or Argentina. But is it fair to say that Brazil has stronger african roots than Argentina? I was just curious.
hey jochhejaam, if u think about wat im sayin it makes perfect sense
lets take duncan, 6-7 years in the leaque , does wat he does, wins mvps, rings , so he deserves the respect that he gets, same with shaq, and other big name guys
now take ginobili, year 1, he won a ring but he admits it himself he a small role,
second year, he didnt do too much, didnt win a ring, didnt dominate playoffs, but
this year he did both, so its understandable he is gettin recognition
but u people basically expect him to get duncan type, shaq type, kobe type, big name type of respect for basically one season, and one post season of play
come on, u kno it doesnt work like that , and it shouldnt work like that
he needs 1-2-3 more post and regular season of that before u can give him such respect
"hey Banks (again)
I agree, respect grows after many successes.
I personally wouldn't take slights to the players on my team seriously enough to bring it up in a message board thread, but I'm trying to answer his concerns with respect and honesty, the same vein in which I would hope people would respond to my posts.
Thanks
Last edited by jochhejaam; 06-30-2005 at 08:11 PM.
ur point of repeatin wat i wrote is wat exactly...........
read up again, I was editing
ok, as long as u agree
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