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I'm sure Manu is just fine. Don't take it too personal, you know he doesn't.
I feel Manu needs some defending here and I don't mean from his shooting. When do NBA players and fans give the man the respect he deserves not only as a player but a human being? In the Nuggets series Karl ripped Ginobili. In the Sonics series "the tool" Danny Fortson flagrantly fouled both Manu and Tim but he only "apologized" to Tim, twice! Then there was flopper-gate. In the Detroit series Rasheed proclaimed Gino was "nothing special" but said positive things about Duncan. Piston & Phoenix fans wrote derogatory signs about our boy. Where are the derogatory signs for Duncan and Parker? They are just as much a large part of the Spurs. Or do opposing fan signs for Gino show that he has "arrived?"
It would be one thing if Gino was an ass in real life but everyone who meets him says he a super nice guy and he has never said anything inflammatory about anyone else. So what's really the deal? I don't buy the other thread about racism. Is it some jealousy because Gino burned most of these teams? Is it his style of play as Karl suggests? Duncan burned these teams too and is also a nice guy--yet he gets the respect. And Parker basically doesn't get talked about unless Eva's around. Does Gino need to be in the league longer to earn respect, earn more championships or will it never happen?
I just think it's shame that a nice guy is being treated so horribly by many and I'm searching for answers. Any theories that weren't explored in another thread?
I'm sure Manu is just fine. Don't take it too personal, you know he doesn't.
Its basketball. Manu is always driving to the basket and going hard. He is a true basketball player who plays with heart. Others don't like it, it is as simple as that.
But that makes no sense. He should be getting mad respect for doing just what you said.
Tony and Manu have 2 championship rings... do you think they really care what George Karl says? Or what anyone else says, for that matter? We're sensitive whenever anyone says anything about our players but, in the end, the trophy does the talking.
Who needs "respect" when you have...
...these?
Manu & Timmy will get respect when they goe out on the court in the 2029 finals in the "Final Legends" promotion of the time, and the commentator says, "Man, those sure were some Spurs teams back in the turn of the 21st century." But in Spanish.
its very simle, the reason he doesnt get the respect is he hasnt done wat he does long enough, this is basically his first time doin wat he did this year
the 03 ring, he was a sub, averaged less then 10points a game in playoffs, last year they didnt win the ring plus nobody was that good last year in the playoffs, so it makes perfect sense if people are sceptic about him. i dont like it ,but thats how it goes, he will have to do this for 1 or 2 more seasons before he gets duncan type respect
But it's not just Karl. I know the players don't care and they don't need to care but I have a crazy curiosity as to why two men with similar "nice" qualities and the ability to rip opponents apart produce very different reactions from people.
I wouldn't spend too much time trying to figure it out... you'll go crazy and still never come up with the answer.
i gave u 2 an answer, read my post, it explains perfectly
Because he's a SPUR...If your waiting for respect you'll be waiting awhile..That's just how it is..Now if he was playing for the fakers, or someone large market ....you get the drift...Just deal with it. We've been dealing with the no respect thing for years...
holy , ive never noticed how badly in denial u san antonio people are, u try to make everything into disrespect this , disrespect that
When you see this on your way home from work.....
if yall cant see that manu just needs to do wat he did for a couple more seasons to get the kind of respect u want him to have, then yall in serious denial,
if manu was to get that kind of respect right now, that would be disrespecting guys like duncan , shaq and kobe, players who have been doin wat they do for years , not one season
id love for manu to get that respect, but he needs a couple more seasons to get it
I think it's a combination of things, rather than one reason in particular:
1. This was Manu's breakout season and before now very few casual basketball fans had heard of him outside of Texas. He didn't come up through the college ranks and get lots of exposure from a young age that way like Duncan did, for example.
2. He plays for a small-market team that doesn't have big media types to hype him up. (i.e. not NY, LA, Chicago, Miami)
3. He's modest and doesn't hype himself by making controversial statements, getting into messy contract negotiations, or engaging in criminal activity.
4. He cares more about team play and winning, rather than personal numbers, so he's not trying to post 30-15 numbers on a regular basis and go for the monster dunks just in order to make the nightly highlight reels.
Call me naive, but I believe his ethnicity and national origin have relatively little to do with his lack of exposure. Americans love winners, and if Ginobili continues to shine like he did this past year, they will get on the bandwagon. Especially if he's marketed well through endorsements. The Latino population is one of the fastest-growing demographics in the country and has an increasing amount of disposable income to spend on shoes, hamburgers and cars that Manu sells. Advertisers are crazy if they don't take advantage of the opportunity he represents for them. With time and more exposure, Manu will get more acknowledgment from the general population.
Last edited by austinfan; 06-30-2005 at 05:13 PM.
He gets all that attention because of how good he is and what he can do on the court. Tony is not at that level yet and Tim is not as flashy as Manu can be. Actually the fact that fans are focusing on Manu is a sign of respect. If he wasn't any good, they wouldn't care.
I agree Manu is is underrated. He is almost as good as Duncan and a borderline superstar. He creates turnovers for other teams who play them and is a great passer along with being a great shooter and slasher. He does everything and makes Duncan look good.
hey spurs da one, if u did wat u do for say 6-7 years, and i came along played good one post season, should i be thought of in the same way as u
cuz thats basically wat ur demandin the public to do
hey since its gonna be like that, hey Taushan had excellent finals last year, y dont we think of him like we think of shaq and kobe, and duncan too. lets go further and toss wade into that same group as well
man u kno wat, some one go tell manu to play like he did this season next season and we will toss into jordans elite group , if that easy
i like manu, but u people are gettin way ahead of yourself
Ginobili had one great year and 2 good years. Every part of Duncan's career he had major help. David Robinson, Mario Elie, and Sean Elliot the first championship. David Robinson, Stephen Jackson, Tony Parker, and Ginobili off the bench in the second championship, and Ginobili playing like a superstar with Parker improving at the point guard in the third. I would like to see Duncan without that help and see how far he gets.
Yep, I'm betting Manu isn't fazed in the least, he's treated like a God in his own country and has the respect of the majority of the basketball world.
As far as the comments from Rasheed, it's not up to opposing players to stroke the ego of the opposing teams players especially in the middle of the Finals and I'd guess that Manu couldn't care less.
What's probably more important to him is how he's viewed by his fellow countrymen, his teammates and the Spurs fans.
manu doesn't need to be respected. he needs be feared. he is.
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