That is assuming LeBron gets at least 4 rings ...at 2 or 3 I tAKe Magic
way above Rapist, still behind Duncan imho. but when it's all said and done, I think Lebron will be top 3. it really depends how many rings he wins. Even though I think rings are a stupid argument (ie Rapist) if Lebron is the main guy winning a bunch of rings, then he could end up behind MJ.
of course, if duncan wins a fifth ring, he deserves to move into the top 5 imo.
Lol please explain still behind Duncan? Rofl
Rings are stupid unless Duncan gets a fifth ....
We all overrate players in the moment, particularly when they win a championship as ironic as that sounds. He doesn't move into the top 5 with a win this year but maybe moves up to #8 or so? Idk, I group players by tiers and the top 10-12 players are grouped in roughly 3 tiers... I mean he's by far the best player right now but he's on a stacked team in a league of very mediocre rosters, that are injury ridden.
It's hard for me to rate Lebron tbh... the way his career has unfolded is very different than the other top 10 players. He joined 2 other superstars in their prime, took less money so they could stack the roster with good role players, and failed (particularly Lebron) miserably in their first finals appearance.
just my opinion. I still give duncan more credit for overall body of work. I'll admit, I'm biased. Plus I dock Lebron points for joining up with other all stars, though to be fair, I think getting out of Cleveland was smart. But I have no problems if Lebron is ranked higher than Duncan by some, he's certainly been the most dynamic player I've seen in a long time. He's saved the league from the Rapist era, so he deserves some credit.
And if he never left, he would be criticized for not winning les on a team with Mo Williams as the 2nd best player..
Lebron had to play GM for himself, he didn't have the luxury of having le-worthy supporting casts built for him like the other players on the all-time lists..
The top 3 of MJ, Kareem, and Magic are pretty much set in stone. And I've always felt that 4-11 (which usually consists of Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Russell, Hakeem, Oscar, and Kobe) are pretty much a wash. With another championship and Finals MVP, Lebron enters the "wash" tier, so depending on how you feel, that could mean 4th or 11th.
He doesn't move much. He joined forces with another future HOFer and a 3rd player who was a franchise player in Toronto, and a team that's been a perennial playoff contender. His successes are watered down because of it. Let's not forget that caveat we imposed on his future back when he did it.
Top 10, if the Heat wins the 'ship.
Bosh isnt better than a prime Manu tbh. Not even close.
Also lol at KillaKobefanboy thinking 5 rings in LA are the same as 5 rings in SA.
He's the GOAT.
thats it and that's all
David Lee averaged 20/10. Manu beat Duncan on his way to a gold medal in 2004.
I said this after last years Finals tbh. Ceiling is GOAT, floor is 2nd all-time imo.
Agree. Lebron should be ahead of Duncan tbh.
This. Hard to give credit when they try to buy it.
Where would you rank this after this season?
remember,
diaw > lee
what a total crock of .
Kobe quit on the team that drafted him the day he was drafted so he could join a team with the a superstar just entering his prime who had already led a team to the finals. Then he demanded a trade and was ready to leave until the Lakers got him the most dominant front court in a small NBA that was completely unable to match up with the trio of Bynum/Gasol/Odom.
pretending Kobe would have been any different if the best teammate he had after 7 years was Mo Williams
This is also why a lot of people think Kobe is a s bag and not even close to Jordan's greatness as well.
Kobe quit on the team that drafted him the day he was drafted so he could join a team with the a superstar just entering his prime who had already led a team to the finals. Then he demanded a trade and was ready to leave until the Lakers got him the most dominant front court in a small NBA that was completely unable to match up with the trio of Bynum/Gasol/Odom.
Diaw> one leg Lee this next series tbh.
Kobe fanboys are some of the most dishonest people Ive seen tbh. They act as if everything is equal and Kobe winning in LA is just as difficult as LeBron winning in Cleveland or Duncan winning in San Antonio. If he went to Charlotte, his success wouldnt have been any better than all the other elite guards of his era who didnt enjoy the benefits of playing in LA for the Lakers (Tmac, VC, AI, etc).
Kobe quit on the team that drafted him the day he was drafted so he could join a team with the a superstar just entering his prime who had already led a team to the finals. Then he demanded a trade and was ready to leave until the Lakers got him the most dominant front court in a small NBA that was completely unable to match up with the trio of Bynum/Gasol/Odom.
While it's not as ridiculous as Kobefan glorifying Kobe for "sticking with the Lakers his entire career!" as if he was dealt some crappy hand that he made the most of, it's still a ridiculous and intellectually dishonest argument to herald Jordan for "Sticking with the Bulls!" in the Jordan v. Lebron comparisons. If after 7 years with the Bulls Jordan was surrounded by the likes of Mo Williams, Anderson Verejao, and a coach who didn't know how to draw up offensive sets, he'd have left just like Lebron left Cleveland.
David Lee doesnt get much credit because hes the worst interior defender in the league, actually.
And not really, the gold medal is very impressive regardless of whether it was in the NBA. 2005 Manu> any year of Bosh in the NBA though.
Manu was a borderline superstar in 2005. Youre wrong, bye.
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