Fire Rove...

[jochhejaam]

you're a lying peice of crap

it was all bc youre a neocon and would do anything to see a demo out of the oval office


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You've been drugged by falacies propagated by the Liberal Dems, the God-hating, truth-hating faction of their Party who run rampant and control the will of the majority of their Party and cons uents. They not only get your vote they have your soul. You're living in self-imposed exile in a very small box and the sad thing is you don't even know it. You're suffocating from the brainwashing of those you have been told to align yourself with, to those who have told you they are looking out for your best interests.

You're intimidated and afraid to leave the box because you have been told that getting out of the box is bad. You don't seek the truth because it would take you from the comfort security of the box they have placed you in. You can no longer think for yourself, you hear and believe what they tell you. Your just another puppet and they are your Master. You're a slave to their every whim and blindly and obediently follow them like a lamb to the slaughter.


You may take comfort in the fact that you are not alone, you and multiplied millions are essentially mental clones of what they want you to be, an unwitting dupe. You will vehemently attack this suggestion spewing forth venom and profanities at this notion because that is what they have told you to do. Regardless of how emphatically you resist and condemn this truth it remains just that, truth!

The good news is if you want to (and you do) you can leave the box. You can take your soul back from those who subtlely and relentlessly foist lies for the truth. Maybe you're not strong enough to leave it on your own, if not there are those that can help you and you know who they are. There is fresh air (freedom) outside of the box. Dig deep within yourself and take a step or two, let the deprogramming begin, you'll start to feel good about yourself. You will no longer feel the need to violently verbally attack others views just because you were told to do so.

William Wallace - "FREEEEEEEDOOOM"

[The Ressurrected One]

plus rove lied under oath the same crime clinton did

Okay, this is the second time I've seen this allegation in here...and, I've seen it no where else.

Which DNC talking point did this come from.

Please provide the context, cir stances, and a transcript of the "lie under oath," that Rove committed.

[jochhejaam]

Okay, this is the second time I've seen this allegation in here...and, I've seen it no where else.

Which DNC talking point did this come from.

Please provide the context, cir stances, and a transcript of the "lie under oath," that Rove committed.

There are no facts, it's on some idiots website and other idiots have predictably presented the hearsay lies as facts! It's become the "leftwing" way.

http://bbs. edcompany.com/index.c...pic_id=1888748

[The Ressurrected One]

Just as I thought.

Produce the verbatim testimony or STFU.

[clubalien]

IN a grand hearing infornt of congress on who did what he said he didn't have anyting to do with it

now prrof shows he did


thus contrdaction

lieing

prujury

[The Ressurrected One]

Unless I'm missing something, Joe Wilson has disproved his own accusation that someone in the Bush administration violated the Intelligence Iden ies Protection Act, USA Today reports:

The alleged crime at the heart of a controversy that has consumed official Washington--the "outing" of a CIA officer--may not have been a crime at all under federal law, little-noticed details in a book by the agent's husband suggest.

In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins.

This meant that Plame would have been stationed in the U.S. for six years before Bob Novak published his column citing her two years ago today. As USA Today notes:

The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the iden ies of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say.

All the Democrats who are braying for Karl Rove's head can't be very confident that he's committed a crime. If they were, they would wait for an indictment, which would be a genuine embarrassment to the administration.

But, alas, that won't happen. Foiled again, Dumbocrats!

[clubalien]

souce charile rose on KLRN at night

BTW i am a libertarian, and wanted mccain to win back when he was trying to win nomination

[The Ressurrected One]

souce charile rose on KLRN at night

BTW i am a libertarian, and wanted mccain to win back when he was trying to win nomination

The media isn't a source. How 'bout a court do ent or video testimony or someone who took the testimony telling us what was said...

I like Charlie Rose but, I doubt he has any more insight than you or I...particularly if he didn't show you a do ent or cite a source.

[The Ressurrected One]

IN a grand hearing infornt of congress on who did what he said he didn't have anyting to do with it

now prrof shows he did


thus contrdaction

lieing

prujury

First of all, you're very hard to read. How about citing the specific Congressional testimony in which you believe Karl Rove committed a lie.

[clubalien]

I don't have the do ent, i can only refernce that there was a reporter that said karl rove was coming back and there were probaly changes in his story. I cannot saw what was in his testimony because it probaly was CLOSED, and thus only "leaks" which i don't have sources can confirm that

[Cant_Be_Faded]

jochhejaam name 1 thing the liberals have done recently that has been detremintal to the country

the country

dont give me something YOU dont agree with or your PARTY doesnt agree with

[The Ressurrected One]

I don't have the do ent, i can only refernce that there was a reporter that said karl rove was coming back and there were probaly changes in his story. I cannot saw what was in his testimony because it probaly was CLOSED, and thus only "leaks" which i don't have sources can confirm that

Yeah, reporters never make up, do they?

[The Ressurrected One]

jochhejaam name 1 thing the liberals have done recently that has been detremintal to the country

the country

dont give me something YOU dont agree with or your PARTY doesnt agree with

Obstruct Judicial Appointments. Completely turn the Congress on it's ear by trying to negotiate/extort an equal say as a minority party. Turn the judicial branch into the third law-making body of our government.

There, how'd I do?

[scott]

Obstruct Judicial Appointments. Completely turn the Congress on it's ear by trying to negotiate/extort an equal say as a minority party. Turn the judicial branch into the third law-making body of our government.

There, how'd I do?

Because Republicans have never filibustered... ever.

And liberals turned the judicial branch into the third law-making body... by, I guess... forcing Republican presidents to appoint judges who don't uphold the GOP version of reality thus qualifying as "liberal activist judges"?

If you have a beef with the supreme court, blame the Republican party, since they are the ones who essentially appointed it.

[The Ressurrected One]

Because Republicans have never filibustered... ever.

And liberals turned the judicial branch into the third law-making body... by, I guess... forcing Republican presidents to appoint judges who don't uphold the GOP version of reality thus qualifying as "liberal activist judges"?

If you have a beef with the supreme court, blame the Republican party, since they are the ones who essentially appointed it.

You're right.

I hope this President ignores the left and appoints strict constructionist justices.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

CNN and ABC start things off by having 2 personal friends of Robert Novak as "expert legal analysts" to discuss the outing. 1 used to work for the Reagan administration and another for Sen. Barry Goldwater

FOX "News" claiming that Bush never actually said anyone would be fired. Yet clearly, at a June 10, 2004 Press Conference he was asked the following:

Q: Given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President [ ] Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?

BUSH: That's up to --

Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?

BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts.


And then of course Scotty saying this at a September 29, 2003 Press Conference.

McCLELLAN: The president has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the leaking of Plame's iden y], they would no longer be in this administration.

Q: You continue to talk about the severity of this and if anyone has any information they should go forward to the Justice Department. But can you tell us, since it's so severe, would someone or a group of persons, lose their job in the White House?

McCLELLAN: At a minimum.

Q: At a minimum?

McCLELLAN: At a minimum.

I'm sure this will get better as the gets piled on. There are 2 options about Simple Scotty now -he either knows he's lying and doesn't care or he doesn't know he's lying which would mean he's either dilussional or incompetent.

What a group this is.

[The Ressurrected One]

CNN and ABC start things off by having 2 personal friends of Robert Novak as "expert legal analysts" to discuss the outing. 1 used to work for the Reagan administration and another for Sen. Barry Goldwater

FOX "News" claiming that Bush never actually said anyone would be fired. Yet clearly, at a June 10, 2004 Press Conference he was asked the following:

Q: Given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President [ ] Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?

BUSH: That's up to --

Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?

BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts.


And then of course Scotty saying this at a September 29, 2003 Press Conference.

McCLELLAN: The president has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the leaking of Plame's iden y], they would no longer be in this administration.

Q: You continue to talk about the severity of this and if anyone has any information they should go forward to the Justice Department. But can you tell us, since it's so severe, would someone or a group of persons, lose their job in the White House?

McCLELLAN: At a minimum.

Q: At a minimum?

McCLELLAN: At a minimum.

I'm sure this will get better as the gets piled on. There are 2 options about Simple Scotty now -he either knows he's lying and doesn't care or he doesn't know he's lying which would mean he's either dilussional or incompetent.

What a group this is.

Or, no one in the administration revealed the iden y of a covert CIA operative and, therefore, this is all moot.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Obstruct Judicial Appointments. Completely turn the Congress on it's ear by trying to negotiate/extort an equal say as a minority party. Turn the judicial branch into the third law-making body of our government.

There, how'd I do?

use your infinite resource of news links and give me a link to where a liberal has used EXTORTION to try to get an "equal say"

i asked for proof and you gave none

at least you kept this post non-long-winded

[The Ressurrected One]

Threatening to filibuster anyone but who they approve of is extortion. Senator Charles Schumer has already said they're "going to war" over the President's nomination...and he doesn't even know who it is.

I think the Conservatives need to change the freakin' rule and be done with it. Nothing else they do will satisfy the Liberals. So, why bother.

I mean, dang, the Conservatives let Clinton appoint Ginsburg. If that doesn't prove their willingness to work across the aisle, I don't what would.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

as long as you keep loving gitmo im sure your party will reign supreme one day and your messiah will be a dictator

[jochhejaam]

jochhejaam name 1 thing the liberals have done recently that has been detremintal to the country

the country

dont give me something YOU dont agree with or your PARTY doesnt agree with

Following is part of the Liberal agenda:

1. Supporting the legalization of sexual marriage. Deemphasizing the importance of heterosexual marriage.

If our Nation were founded on this principle we would not have a Nation.
Do I need to point out what the break-down in a traditional family does to children and society in general? I work in a Government funded Housing Authority and I see it on a daily basis. The vast majority of tenants are single females with multiple children and no support except the monthly government check. Would you like to know the dropout rate of children raised in Public Housing and the dropout rate of children raised by single parents as opposed to those raised in a traditional family setting?


2. Removing dicipline, morality (righteous commandments) from our Public Schools. Removing Prayer from our Public Schools. Removing Creationism from our Public Schools.

And we shake our heads at the overflowing jails and prisons in our country. We shudder at the horrific crimes reported in the news mediums on a daily basis.
So we remove the teaching of morality from a couple of generations and then we fret about the fruit of immorality and why immorality abounds? We cannot have it both ways!

3. Abortion, society throwing away it's young without batting an eye, equivocating the value of human life with the leftover trash from a fast food restaurant.

It sickens me to think about this most blatant act of selfishness and Godlessness. If you need an essay on the value of human life you are probably too far gone to be convinced of its sanc y. (my sister had an abortion when she was 16 and in spite of knowing that her family loves her unconditionally and that God has forgiven her, she is haunted by it to this day)

Others who have researched these topics have broken it down, read on:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Crime/BG1026.cfm

[Clandestino]

if rove is found out (without a doubt) to be the source, then he 100% should be fired. no ifs, ands or buts about it... maybe, just maybe the demos would be patriots again.

[The Ressurrected One]

Has anyone explored the possibility that Karl Rove is not the target of Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation or that the crime in issue does not include violation of the IIPA?

[scott]

1. Supporting the legalization of sexual marriage. Deemphasizing the importance of heterosexual marriage.

If our Nation were founded on this principle we would not have a Nation.
Do I need to point out what the break-down in a traditional family does to children and society in general? I work in a Government funded Housing Authority and I see it on a daily basis. The vast majority of tenants are single females with multiple children and no support except the monthly government check. Would you like to know the dropout rate of children raised in Public Housing and the dropout rate of children raised by single parents as opposed to those raised in a traditional family setting?

What do the poor family values instilled by your heterosexual single parents living on welfare have to with sexuals, who are statistically far less likely (to a very high degree) to live below the poverty line? Average income per capita for sexuals is above per capita income for heterosexuals, by a fairly significant margin.

2. Removing dicipline, morality (righteous commandments) from our Public Schools. Removing Prayer from our Public Schools. Removing Creationism from our Public Schools.

And we shake our heads at the overflowing jails and prisons in our country. We shudder at the horrific crimes reported in the news mediums on a daily basis.
So we remove the teaching of morality from a couple of generations and then we fret about the fruit of immorality and why immorality abounds? We cannot have it both ways!

On more than one occassion in this forum I have provided my own research showing that people who consider themselves ardent religious followers are over 280 times more likely to be incarcerated than someone who considers themselves atheist, agnostics, or non-religious.

If force feeding the lessons of your faith in public school is the only means of keeping your followers out of prison, maybe you should spend some time examining the teachings and methods of your faith through existing avenues, not the school system.

3. Abortion, society throwing away it's young without batting an eye, equivocating the value of human life with the leftover trash from a fast food restaurant.

It sickens me to think about this most blatant act of selfishness and Godlessness. If you need an essay on the value of human life you are probably too far gone to be convinced of its sanc y. (my sister had an abortion when she was 16 and in spite of knowing that her family loves her unconditionally and that God has forgiven her, she is haunted by it to this day)

Abortion is a serious issue that people need to deal with every day. Your sister being haunted by these actions is not evidence that abortion should be illegal, it's just affirmation that abortion is not something to be taken lightly. I will be the first to say that it is taken too lightly in this country, but there are times when it is a sad but necessary option.

Others who have researched these topics have broken it down, read on:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Crime/BG1026.cfm

This is actually a pretty good link - it provides analysis of real empirical data. None of the empirical data or analysis, however supports your opposition to sexuals or the non-religious.

[jochhejaam]

What do the poor family values instilled by your heterosexual single parents living on welfare have to with sexuals, who are statistically far less likely (to a very high degree) to live below the poverty line? Average income per capita for sexuals is above per capita income for heterosexuals, by a fairly significant margin.



On more than one occassion in this forum I have provided my own research showing that people who consider themselves ardent religious followers are over 280 times more likely to be incarcerated than someone who considers themselves atheist, agnostics, or non-religious.

If force feeding the lessons of your faith in public school is the only means of keeping your followers out of prison, maybe you should spend some time examining the teachings and methods of your faith through existing avenues, not the school system.



Abortion is a serious issue that people need to deal with every day. Your sister being haunted by these actions is not evidence that abortion should be illegal, it's just affirmation that abortion is not something to be taken lightly. I will be the first to say that it is taken too lightly in this country, but there are times when it is a sad but necessary option.



This is actually a pretty good link - it provides analysis of real empirical data. None of the empirical data or analysis, however supports your opposition to sexuals or the non-religious.

Hey Scott,

The points were offered to Cant Be Faded in response to his quest for things the Leftwingers have done (support) that have damaged our Country.

I'll have to argue the semantics of my brief comments on each point at a later date as some were taken out of context, not at all unusual in this mode of conversing. (12:32 here, too late to focus if I don't have too. )

Thanks,
Christian Marlowe