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2008-2010 tbh. In 2008-2009 it wasn't even a debate, 2010 you can make the case Pau was better in the Celtics series ONLY @ home. He was a complete pussy on the road.
Only one of those (1984) could be considered a "choke". Losing to the Celts, Sixers, Pistons of the 80's is far different than losing to a past it's prime Spur team (with all due respect, Spurs have been amazing). But those teams 83 Sixers, 84 Celts 89 Pistons would beat the out of either Finals teams tbh ...and in fact would beat ever Finals team of the past 10 yeasr including the back2back Lakers, Heat Mavs or 2008 Celts.
2008-2010 tbh. In 2008-2009 it wasn't even a debate, 2010 you can make the case Pau was better in the Celtics series ONLY @ home. He was a complete pussy on the road.
I only brought it up because there wasn't a distinction made between loss and choke. Lebron lost the 2007 finals but didn't choke. Lebron choked in 2011. You could make an argument for Lebron not choking in these finals depending on how the next 2 games go. (Even if the Heat lose)
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It will probably drop him out of ever being in the top 20 and definitely out of the top 10. He can still be in the top 50. And he is below Dirk in my opinion. Dirk is for 1 for 2 in the Finals. Right now Lebron is 1 for 3. if Lebron loses, he will be 1 for 4. A player that has won one Finals out of 4 appearances is not worthy of being in the top 20 or top 10 in my opinion.
Top 25-30 range, he had a chance to surpass Kobe at around 20th but if he loses he's no better than Dirk, and Dirk was 1-2 in the Finals. 4 mvps don't erase 3 Final failures, 2 of them on a stacked roster.
Dirk won his ring against a heavily favored Miami Heat team and let's not forget that the Mavs didn't have HCA too. Lebron won his ring in a ty 66 game season and without having to face a Derek Rose led Bulls team too. Dirk is better than Lebron.
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2nd GOAT instead of GOAT tbh
win plenty after this year.
Lebron loses and I agree with you 100%. Lebron will never have a playoff run like Dirk had in 2011. Not only did he shoot almost 50% from 3 and I believe like 95% on free throws, he put up 28 a game and went through some of the toughest teams ever. Sweeping Achilles and Pjax was an achievement already, making the big 3 cry however was the greatest playoff moment since ever.
Lebron in 2012 was a much better run than Dirk in 2011, and I'm a Dirk fan
Lebron has 2 Finals failures..anybody that holds 2007 against him is an imbecile
To lead this Heat team to the Finals, Lebron had to be one of, if not the only player in NBA history to lead a Finals team in playoff points, rebounds, assists and steals..it's easy to criticize a player's failure and ignore the cir stances..
Lebron's championship is a mini one since it was in a 66 game season. We can have a discussion about his greatness when he wins a championship in an 82 game season.
Lebron in 2012 was a much better run than Dirk in 2011, and I'm a Dirk fan
Lebron has 2 Finals failures..anybody that holds 2007 against him is an imbecile
To lead this Heat team to the Finals, Lebron had to be one of, if not the only player in NBA history to lead a Finals team in playoff points, rebounds, assists and steals..it's easy to criticize a player's failure and ignore the cir stances..
Lebron's 2012 run was in a lockout season, without Wade they're not even getting past Indiana, tbh.
Lebron made so much statistical history in the 2012 playoffs, it would take me 30 minutes to list everything he did, tbh
Along with being Miami's #1 scorer, he was also their leading rebounder, passer and defensive anchor, too
Only Jordan in '91 and Shaq in 2000 were better IMO, with '03 Duncan and maybe '94 Hakeem being close..
wherever Kobe is put Lebron 1 spot higher
If his career is on-par like the one he had this year for the next 3-4 years, he will be a top 25 player. The lack of team success and failures in clutch moments will knock him down from top 10 contention.
While Duncan, if we do win this series, is a lock for top 15 (10 maybe) of all time players imo
2012 run was one of the best statistically, but opponent-wise had some of the weakest compe ion ever. A Knicks team that plays 0 defense and has 4 players injured, interim HC from mid-seasonLebron made so much statistical history in the 2012 playoffs, it would take me 30 minutes to list everything he did, tbh
Along with being Miami's #1 scorer, he was also their leading rebounder, passer and defensive anchor, too
Only Jordan in '91 and Shaq in 2000 were better IMO, with '03 Duncan and maybe '94 Hakeem being close..
a tough Pacers team that took a lead on them and would have won if Wade didn't show up, an old Boston team with injured Ray Allen which took a miracle jump shooting game from James in Game 6 to even have a chance to win the series in 7
A young, inexperienced OKC team with no game plan, no one to defend James at the rim (Ibaka is overrated garbage and no one, not the 7-foot 140-pound KD or 6'4 Harden could keep him from reaching it), Mike Miller,Chalmers had some miracle games and even Wade had a decent series.
Wouldn't call it a top 5 all-time playoff run, perhaps in the top 10 considering the efficiency and rebounding.
He'd be right there with Dirk, KG and Dr. J, Moses.
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Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Tim
wilt
russell
Shaq
Bird
Olajuwon
Kobe
Moses
Lebron
Dirk
KG
Dr. J
Dirk, Shaq and Kobe belong in the same class imho. Tim may be one class above if he wins ring #5 this year (though I don't believe it will happen), and of course, it's a rank concerning the career achievements rather than individual abilities. Had duncan been drafted to a ty franchise like the cavs, he would've been sorted in the same class with the likes of C-webb, Iverson etc...
hmmmm... Lebron hasnt lost to slouch teams TBH. and hes got PLENTY of career left to win trophies. especially if he goes back to Cleveland with Kyrie and that team theyre building up there.
Pls explain how Dirk is in the same class with Kobe, Shaq. And Pls don't say its because they all have 1 regular season MVP
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