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Not above Kobe for sure
It's a huge IF and I still have Lechoke winning this series. However, if he loses again that makes it 3 losses in the Finals and only 1 ring. He's not that young actually, and has played 11 years in the league. I know there is still alot of career left and he has time to catch up, but that's going to be REALLY hard to bounce back from if he loses again.
Will you have him on the same list as guys like Magic, Jordan, etc when all is said and done or no?
Personally, I think the guy HAS to win 4-5 to be mentioned in that same breathe.
Not above Kobe for sure
He's definitely one of the top 1000 best players in the country but that's about it.
Top 12 career-wise, #3 peak-wise(2012)..
Choking in the Finals in 2011 took him out of the Jordan convo, and choking again in 2013 eliminates him from the Kareem/Magic/Duncan(after he wins his 5th) tier, but he's still in reach of everybody else..
Would you have him past Timmy if Tim wins this year and Lebron ends up with 4 rings?
Ask at LG.com, I'm sure they are just as anxious as you guys to protect your facade of a hero. Most of us aren't trying to protect our heroes, we just want another ring for them, not for us to brag about them.
I Put him in the Sixer teams of 80's class. Chokers,
LOL DMC...taking out his frustations of getting cuckolded
You certainly aren't going to save Kobe through Kobe's wins. You're just hoping the other guy loses for no other reason than to salvage your ty trolling attempts that are so weak that even LG doesn't bite.
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12-17ish. In the Dirk/West/Moses Malone tier.
-If Wade carries Miami through these next two games to a championship, I have Lebron knocking on the door of the top 10 (still can't ignore the fact Lebron stepped up against Indiana, while Wade had one of the worst playoff series of his career).
-If Lebron get historic on us with some 35-10-8 type efforts and wills Miami to the le, he's in the top 10 for sure. The media will probably rank him as high as 5th, but for me, he'll be in the Shaq/Bird/Duncan/Kobe/Hakeem tier.
It's kind of a misfortune for him, that he spent his first 7 years in NBA playing for a ty franchise, and after he moved to Miami to join his friends, he had to play under a head coach. Had bron started his career on a great team (lakers, spurs, or even dallas) he would've already won more rings than GOAT probably
Still where he was at before this series started. Fringe 10. Making it to the finals and losing doesn't lower you any in my books, it's still better than 2nd round knockouts.
Can someone reminds me how many finals Magic lost with stacked ass teams?
That depends. If you lose because you choke on the big stage and that's proven time and again, even if you get there over and over you're only verifying your ability to dance until it matters, like the dancing/singing frog on Bugs Bunny. Everybody loves the Michigan Rag.
James has the individual hardware but he also has some of the biggest drop offs in production from the regular season to the Finals among all time greats.
4 MVPs and 1 of 3 in Finals, possibly 4, that doesn't help his case. He's playing with a stacked team even if some players underperform during certain games.
And that excuse is no longer valid for James since Bosh and Wade, who has looked like a mini-Jordan incarnate lately, have held up their end in these last two games. And say if the Spurs weren't unconscious tonight and Miami won the game, Wade would've been the hero tonight, as he was last game.
At the same time, you've also proved you're a pretty good dancer if you can dance for that long. Even if you're dancing sloppily in June, you're better than the guy who stopped in May who never got the chance to dance on the main stage.
Losing just happens sometimes when you're playing a superior "team." The big 3 vs big 3 narrative is overrated also at that. Miami's big 3 outplayed ours and the Spurs still won. No matter how talented an individual is, the game is still a team game.
Whether or not if it's a choke doesn't depend on the frequency of losing in the finals, but rather how the actual games played out and the player's impact in those games.
Above Kobe because he has actually led a team to the Finals
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