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    The post-jordan era, from 98 up until the rise of the 03' generation might be described as a watered-down league. Basically it was those 96' graduates plus a few from 97 and 98 (Duncan, Dirk and Pierce) that were carrying the flag through that time. TBH if you ever played NBA live 01 or 02 you would find that those All-star teams were pretty laughable.

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    Forgot the 03 Nets, 06 Heat, and 07 Cavs.

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    Scarlett our Goddess4ever
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    The league was suffering from a drought of talents with most 84' and 85' graduates either gone retired or gone TOSB. While most 96' talents were still rather young and naive back then. So the only players who were right in their primes during that era were limited to those drafted pre-05, such as Shaq, Kidd, C-Webb etc...

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    It was watered down a little bit by the rule changes Stern made to help Jordan win (i.e. stricter flagrant foul and fighting rules, five-points rule, shortened three-point line, hand-checking ban, etc.) but what really watered down the league was the boring perimeter isoball era of the early 2000s that came after MJ, tbh....
    Honestly, how many Jordan games did you actually watch when you were 4 years old?

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    It was watered down a little bit by the rule changes Stern made to help Jordan win (i.e. stricter flagrant foul and fighting rules, five-points rule, shortened three-point line, hand-checking ban, etc.) but what really watered down the league was the boring perimeter isoball era of the early 2000s that came after MJ, tbh....
    Most of those changes came after Jordan's first three-peat. And the shortened three point line only lasted a couple of years, one of which Jordan only played 17 games.

    But I agree with you, the league changed the rules immensely to cater to the perimeter players in the 00's. namely in 2002.

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    HarlemHeat37 is a firm believer that Michael Jordan played in a watered down league compared today.

    do you fellas agree with this?

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    i think so. back then most teams had a big two. now days you arnt gonna do anything without a big 3.

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    i think so. back then most teams had a big two. now days you arnt gonna do anything without a big 3.
    are the miami heat truly a big 3? was bosh's 12/7 on 46% shooting good enough to qualify there?

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    yes and no.... when he won his les in the early - mid 90's...absolutely yes when he couldn't win because of Larry, Magic, and Isaiah then No...he failed when it counted the most...Now back to the 90's on the defensive side of the ball NO he played in the best era of defensive players...in fact it's the only reason I give him the slight edge over Kobe...the bad boy Pistons, the ing 92 Knicks....those were some gotdam hard ass pipe hitting mutha as...man listen I used to hang with my fam in NYC back in those days and I'm telling that Pistons team and that Knick team on defense was a mutha a...and MJ got through it...

    Now as for the offensive side of the ball...he CERTAINLY played in a watered down league when he won his les...Listen Reggie Miller was the only stud to really give it to MJ..and MJ used to cheat against Reggie all the time..he had the refs in his pockets..man Reggie all he needed was one player on his squad with some heart and MJ might dam neat be ringless..if not he would likely only have 2 or 3 the other half would have went to Reggie... MJ never faced night in and night out top scorers in the league like today...the 1's, 2's and 3's man these cats be lighting it up..MJ had no one to really go back at him..and please save the Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing comparisons....Reggie Miller was MJ's only real compe ion and even then the refs still had to cheat for MJ...
    Good tbh. You watch your basketball in the 90's fosho.

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    Wrecks and Effects RsxPiimp's Avatar
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    are the miami heat truly a big 3? was bosh's 12/7 on 46% shooting good enough to qualify there?
    Yeah he counts. His value goes beyond numbers.

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    any person with more than scrambled eggs between their ears knows the true Finals was always played at the WCF level...it was always a foregone conclusion the West would win...nothing negates MJ never facing more than a Reggie Miller on a nightly basis...A Reggie Miller with no real help at that...when MJ had his chance to prove himself in the 80's he failed miserablyPERIOD!

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    any person with more than scrambled eggs between their ears knows the true Finals was always played at the WCF level...it was always a foregone conclusion the West would win...nothing negates MJ never facing more than a Reggie Miller on a nightly basis...A Reggie Miller with no real help at that...when MJ had his chance to prove himself in the 80's he failed miserablyPERIOD!
    shifting the goalposts
    ignoring the watered down Nets, 6ers, Pistons, Magic, and Pacers.

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    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    shifting the goalposts
    ignoring the watered down Nets, 6ers, Pistons, Magic, and Pacers.
    no worse than any compe ion MJ faced in the finals...

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    Of course the league was watered down during MJ's prime. Adding six new teams in eight years naturally diluted the talent pool. In a strong, balanced league do the 1995-96 Bulls win 72 games with Luc Longley as their starting center?

    Not to mention the East was by far the weaker conference after the decline of the Bad Boys. Of all the East teams that Chicago beat in the playoffs during its second three-peat, only the '98 Pacers would have had a chance to beat the West champion in a seven-game series, IMO. Neither Miami nor New York could have hung w/the best of the West. Neither, for that matter, could the early-90's Cavaliers.

    And I watched plenty of NBA ball during the '90s and as a Cavaliers fan, plenty of MJ and the Bulls.

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    I think last season was the weakest of them all...I mean...the Lakers went to the POs!! Talk about a watered down league!

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    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    Of course the league was watered down during MJ's prime. Adding six new teams in eight years naturally diluted the talent pool. In a strong, balanced league do the 1995-96 Bulls win 72 games with Luc Longley as their starting center?

    Not to mention the East was by far the weaker conference after the decline of the Bad Boys. Of all the East teams that Chicago beat in the playoffs during its second three-peat, only the '98 Pacers would have had a chance to beat the West champion in a seven-game series, IMO. Neither Miami nor New York could have hung w/the best of the West. Neither, for that matter, could the early-90's Cavaliers.

    And I watched plenty of NBA ball during the '90s and as a Cavaliers fan, plenty of MJ and the Bulls.
    thanks for backing me up old man

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    I think last season was the weakest of them all...I mean...the Lakers went to the POs!! Talk about a watered down league!

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    Good tbh. You watch your basketball in the 90's fosho.
    Drexler, dumars, magic, Blackman, mullins, richmond.

    Proof neither of you watched 90s ball

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    any person with more than scrambled eggs between their ears knows the true Finals was always played at the WCF level...it was always a foregone conclusion the West would win...nothing negates MJ never facing more than a Reggie Miller on a nightly basis...A Reggie Miller with no real help at that...when MJ had his chance to prove himself in the 80's he failed miserablyPERIOD!
    Like 04?

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    JoeTait still hates MJ foe destroying the city of Cleveland

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    Drexler, dumars, magic, Blackman, mullins, richmond.

    Proof neither of you watched 90s ball
    drexler was good but he wasn't anything special. dumars was good in the late 80's. magic had a short stint in the 90's. mullins was really good i'll give him that, for a white dude especially.

    richmond was good but he was truly one dimensional


    blackman, as in rolando blackman? dude made his career in the 80's not 90's, check your facts son

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    seriously amb, with the exception of drexler and mullins all the players you mentioned were actually on the down slope of their careers in the 90's. and no richmond doesnt count, he was satisfied putting his stats in sacramento after his warrior days

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    What about David Robinson?

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    JoeTait still hates MJ foe destroying the city of Cleveland
    It was two decades ago, the Bulls had the better team and the Cavaliers were never good enough to win the le anyway. I'm not even bitter about LeBron, why would I be bitter about MJ?

    Actually, it'd be more in my interest to build up MJ as much as possible so I can at least say the Cavaliers got beat by the GOAT.

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