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and then the jackasses have to go and open there mouths proving how foolish they are. go back and look at the 3 pointers Tony hit this season asshole
I agree about Hondo. He, like Manu, was a perpetual motion machine on both offense and defense.
I also agree about Maravich. He drove the lane with flair and guts and his teammates had to be ready for a quirky pass from nowhere.
Starks was more of a spot up shooter. I don't see any reason to compare him to Manu. I suspect the Starks/Manu comparison is simply a factor of age because so many folks here never saw Maravich or Havilcek.
and then the jackasses have to go and open there mouths proving how foolish they are. go back and look at the 3 pointers Tony hit this season asshole
Last edited by GoSpurs21; 07-27-2005 at 12:03 PM.
He does remind me of Havlicek, even the body and hair. A player who was in constant motion, both on offense and defense and creative and clutch. Another guy who Manu reminds me off is Bobby Jones that same kind of energy and hustle and a knack for always being around the ball, like Hondo also.
and then people complain about the Manu church, LOL
seasonWhen it counts is in the playoffs. asswipe
u gonna tell me Tony makes more 3s than Starks did in the playoffs!!! Get the outta here. u obviously started watching NBA when Spurs won their first championship
And just to finish proving who is the ignorant one here:
Career 3p% Playoffs 3p%Starks....... .340______ .371
Tony........ .315______ .293
Tony's 3pt % actually goes down in the playoffs!
u got a lot to learn young brother
While the Maravich/Havlicek comparisons are not far off, I think it's safe to say that no one has ever played the way Manu does.
Before all you guys get the Pistol comparisons....Manu can't even hold Pete's jock with tongs and a salad bowl.....please....I thought the Kobe homerism was far fetched.
College Playing Highlights:
Three-year letter winner (1967-70)
The Sporting News College Player of the Year (1970)
Naismith Award Winner (1970)
The Sporting News All-America First Team (1968, 1969, 1970)
Three-time AP and UPI First-Team All-America (1968, 1969, 1970)
Holds NCAA career record for most points (3,667, 44.2 ppg, three-year career) in 83 games
Holds NCAA career record for highest points per game average (44.2 ppg) Before the 3 point line
Holds NCAA record for most field goals made (1,387) and attempted (3,166)
Holds NCAA record for most free throws made (893) and attempted (1,152)
Holds NCAA record for most games scoring at least 50 points (28)
Holds NCAA single-season record for most points (1,381) and highest per game average (44.5 ppg) in 1970
Holds NCAA single-season record for most field goals made (522) and attempted (1,668) in 1970
Holds NCAA single-season record for most games scoring at least 50 points (10) in 1970
Holds NCAA single-game record for most free throws made (30 of 31) against Oregon State on Dec. 22, 1969
Led the NCAA Division I in scoring with 43.8 ppg (1968); 44.2 (1969) and 44.5 ppg (1970)
The 44.5 ppg average ranks best in NCAA history; 44.2 ppg (fourth); 43.8 ppg (fifth)
Averaged 43.6 ppg on the LSU freshman team (1967)
Scored a career-high 69 points vs. Alabama (Feb. 7, 1970); 66 vs. Tulane (Feb. 10, 1969); 64 vs. Kentucky (Feb. 21, 1970); 61 vs. Vanderbilt (Dec. 11, 1969);
Holds LSU records for most field goals in a game (26) against Vanderbilt on Jan. 29, 1969 and attempted (57) against Vanderbilt
All-Southeastern Conference (1968, 1969, 1970)
In 1988, Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer signed legislation changing the official name of LSU's home court to the
Maravich Assembly Center
In 1970, Maravich led LSU to a 20-8 record and a third place finish in the NIT
Pro:
NBA Atlanta Hawks (1970-74)
NBA New Orleans Jazz (1974-79)
NBA Utah Jazz (1979-80)
NBA Boston Celtics (1979-80)
Pro Playing Highlights:
NBA All-Rookie Team (1971)
All-NBA First Team (1976, 1977)
All-NBA Second Team (1973, 1978)
Five-time NBA All-Star (1973, 1974, 1977-1979)
Scored 15,948 points (24.2 ppg) in 658 games
Led the NBA in scoring (31.1 ppg) in 1977, his career best
Scored a career-high 68 points (12th best in history) against the New York Knicks on Feb. 25, 1977
Led the NBA in most field goals attempted in 1974 (1,791) and 1977 (2,047)
Shares NBA single-game record for most free throws made in one quarter (14) on Nov. 28, 1973 against Buffalo and most free throws attempted in one quarter (16) on Jan. 2, 1973 against Chicago
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...ginobili_x.htm
The people's MVP: Ginobili caps dream season
By Greg Beacham, The Associated Press
SAN ANTONIO — Manu Ginobili had the ball in his hands on nearly every possession late in the San Antonio Spurs' biggest game of the season — and he didn't drop it once.
The freewheeling forward from Bahia Blanca, Argentina, capped an amazing five-year run at almost every level of elite basketball with an outstanding performance in the fourth quarter of Game 7 of the NBA Finals on Thursday night.
Ginobili scored 23 points in the San Antonio Spurs' 81-74 victory, ending his breakthrough playoff series with another impressive game. He scored 11 points in the fourth quarter, including six in the final minute, and didn't make a turnover as the Spurs held off one last charge by the Detroit Pistons.
"I really didn't feel it that much," Ginobili said of the fourth-quarter pressure. "I was so focused and concentrated on trying to do the right thing that I didn't even know what was going on around me. I just looked at the clock and tried to make the right decision."
At the final buzzer, all the Spurs seemed to be trying to hug Ginobili, who raced across the court and pointed at his family in the stands. He averaged 18.7 points per game in the series, and the few basketball fans who didn't know his scintillating game got a look at Ginobili's best.
"They are kissing each other," he said gesturing toward his family in the stands. "I'd definitely like to be hugging them, too."
Though Tim Duncan was voted the series MVP, there was little doubt Ginobili was the people's choice. The San Antonio crowd chanted "Manu! Manu!" when commissioner David Stern prepared to present the trophy, and there was scattered booing when Duncan's name was about to be announced.
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Ginobili has done little wrong in his sport since 2001, when he won the first of two straight championships in the top Italian league. He won his first NBA le as a rookie reserve with the Spurs in 2003.
He then led Argentina to a gold medal in the Athens Olympics, forever endearing himself to his nation — and every nation whose fans disliked the American dominance of the event. Ginobili wore Argentine shorts on the court after Game 7.
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It's not like Manu is just sitting doing nothing like Slava during those Laker le runs. There is a difference between critical component and 12th man ya know? While there are homers for most any team and some players, most fans here would be comparing styles of play as opposed to greatness. You could say Manu is certainly on his way there.
All those scoring records that Pete got are eye-catching but note that he has no les whatsoever despite the scoring records.
Manu gives his take about scoring with 1 quote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...jackson/050610
2 les, a gold medal, and playing on the best team in hoops today. He's doing pretty well."I don't need 20 points to feel good about myself."
Oh and for 1 season Marciulionis played at a level as high as Manu.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PG2GBBO8E1.DTL
DO These statments sound familiar?
Now read on."It was a real adjustment for me, the language, the culture, the way Americans played. Even practice was new to me, the kind of drills we had.
"Now, European players have been able to get coaching from American coaches, so their footwork is better, their fundamentals are sound. They know how to play the game."
Yeah that guy played at high levels for a time before the injuries. But his style of play was like Manu's. He didn't create as much as Manu does but in his defense, he wasn't asked to. When he played for LIT in the Olympics, he could play off the ball because they had at the time, the best PG not in the NBA.Marciulionis was an excellent jump shooter, but it was his style of play that won him many admirers, as he threw his body around almost recklessly as he drove for the basket. He played basketball like Steve Young played football, which is to say, like a linebacker. When Sarunas drove to the basket, it made no difference if a defender were in the way. He would collide with the defender, rather than backing off.
"It was the only way I could play," he said, almost apologetically. "With my size (6-foot-4, 220 pounds) I had to be aggressive. That was the way the NBA was then, much more physical than it is now."
That style of play led to many injuries, which undoubtedly curtailed his career, but he still played through the 1996-97 season with Denver, his fourth team.
His best years were with the Warriors. In the 1991-92 season, coming off the bench, he averaged 18.9 points a game and followed that with 17.4 points a game the next season, with field goal percentages of about 54 percent each year. He was runner-up for the NBA's "Best Sixth Man" award each year.
Look, Pete Maravich was my favorite player (for a period of time) when I was young. I used to go out and practice dribbling like him for hours. He had some incredible dribbling drills at LSU he would do, sort of as an exhibition but it was his routine to warm up. He was a wizard with the basketball and he could really shoot but he never saw a shot he didn't like. He played no D. His passing and floor vision and creativity was some of the best ever displayed.
It is Manu's passing and floor vision and creativity that reminds me of Pete.
Put away the stats. They are not necessary.
One thing I saw Pistol Pete do in college that nobody else has ever done that I know of is throw a long bounce pass between TWO players' legs and connect with a teammate running the break for a layup. We've seen Manu do this (purposely) a few times with one guy...but not two.
Homers.......
Yes Manu has more les than Pete... you guys are stunted....he is a top 50 player in the history of the NBA...and I believe the best College player ever. Stats dont' prove everything, that's right....just like Manu's crappy stats for a so-called all-star don't prove everything either. You put Manu on his own team in the NBA and you couldn't compare him to the Richardson's of the L.
I agree. You put Manu on any team, NBA, Euroleague, Argentina NT, etc. and you could not compare him to the Richardsons. Nor could you compare them to him. No comparison. By the way...who is Richardson?
Anybody can´t compare Manu with Maravich, and nor to Iverson, and Kobe, And T-Mac and other great scorers because, Manu don´t want to be a scorer, he´s a team player and he know what the team want
T-mac sayed, when he was traded to Houston, that in Orlando he play for his numbers and nor for the Team, and too many players too
In the First 50 players in Points Manu is the lowest in Attempts, is 2nd in Point Per Shot with Shaq, with more than 1,5 Points per Shot, and those shots are in their majority in the last quarter
Check the stats:
Regular Season
Manu: #36 in Points, #85 in FGA
Parker: #33 in POints, # 43 in FGA
Jason Kidd: #50 in Points, #52 in FGA
But only in the regular season, in the playoff is better
Manu: #16 in Points, #37 in FGA
Parker: #29 in POints, #23 in FGA
But both in 23 Games, not 5 or 7, like Yao - T-Mac - Pierce - AI or VC
1 Allen Iverson, Pts: 31.2 FGA: 25.2 PPS: 1.24
2 Tracy McGrady 29.9 - 18.9 - 1.58
4 Dwyane Wade 27.4 - 20.1 - 1.37
5 Vince Carter 26.8 - 24.0 - 1.11
6 Ray Allen 26.5 - 19.5 - 1.35
7 Steve Nash 23.9 - 17.9 - 1.33
8 Dirk Nowitzki 23.7 - 19.7 - 1.20
9 G. Arenas 23.6 - 19.4 - 1.22
10 Tim Duncan 23.6 - 18.5 - 1.28
11 Paul Pierce 22.9 - 13.3 - 1.72
12 P. Stojakovic - 22.0 - 16.6 - 1.33
13 Yao Ming - 21.4 - 12.0 - 1.79
14 Pau Gasol - 21.3 - 20.0 - 1.06
15 Kirk Hinrich - 21.2 - 16.7 - 1.27
16 Manu Ginobili - 20.8 - 12.4 - 1.67
17 Larry Hughes - 20.7 - 18.1 - 1.14
18 R. Hamilton - 20.0 - 17.5 - 1.15
19 Mike Bibby - 19.6 - 18.4 - 1.07
20 S. O'Neal - 19.4 - 13.9 - 1.39
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