Duncan vs. Shaq

[Supergirl]

Shaq made the Finals with Orlando. I think that he is among the most overrated players in the game. If he didn't get the benefit of foul calls, he would be extremely ineffective. He wasn't even his teams best player, but the media acted like he got ripped off when Nash won it. I just think Shaq is a slow, fat s of what he used to be and the star hungry NBA lets him do whatever he wants in the paint. Tim Duncan's got skills.

Shaq is much more than what you describe. He does some things very well that people don't pay as much attention, like passing. He's got a very high basketball IQ. It would be hard to overrate one of the two best players in the game. And I for one think he did get robbed by Mr. Steve "No Defense" Nash of the MVP last year.

Have you seen pics from last year? He's slimmed down and gotten himself back in shape. And he is still EASILY the best player on the Heat. When he played with Kobe, people questioned whether he was the best player on the team, but we've now seen Kobe w/o Shaq. Shaq makes any team he joins a championship caliber team. So does Duncan.

As I posted, Duncan get a slight edge over Shaq for versatility, but you can't deny that the two of them are EASILY the most dominant, talented, smartest playes in the game today.

[Dex]

Have you seen pics from last year? He's slimmed down and gotten himself back in shape. And he is still EASILY the best player on the Heat. When he played with Kobe, people questioned whether he was the best player on the team, but we've now seen Kobe w/o Shaq. Shaq makes any team he joins a championship caliber team. So does Duncan.

I'm not disputing that Snaq made that Heat a better team, but they weren't exactly chopped liver the year before he arrived. They made it to the Conference Semis in 2004, and only got one round further in 2005. And yes, Shaquille O'Neal is a noted improvement over Lamar Odom and Caron Butler, so anyone who DIDN'T expect some type of progess probably needs to take up another sport. , the improvement made by Dwayne Wade alone might've been enough to do that, even with their old pieces still intact.

Granted, nobody knows WHAT would've happened had they not sustained injuries to O'Neal and Wade, but that's just the way the game goes sometimes. Championships aren't handed out over what-ifs.

But it's not like he turned the Hawks into the Pistons, or the Clippers into the Spurs. He made a team that was already good better, just as he has his entire career. Orlando may have been the lone exception, but he was still option number two behind Penny, which is ultimately what drove him away to LA.

[PM5K]

is[/I] a center. Just because we say he is...doesn't make it so..That is an opinion I disagree with...

If you stand on the sidelines and walk back and forth wearing a suit you are a COACH.

If you bring the ball up the court and run the offense you are a POINT GUARD.

If you clog up the lane and block shots, and on the other end get the ball within ten feet and do a post move YOU ARE A ING CENTER.

I don't give a what the program says, or his FLEER card, or what his momma calls him, he's a center.

Each center plays differently from each other, David Robinson had a similar game in that he was a very good perimiter shooter, and he could drive the lane from ten to fifteen feet out, but he's still a ing center.