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Shaq has been, is now, and always will be the greatest Sports player in the history of the universe.
No one can ever beat him at anything.
He's even better than God...
Ive been having this discussion with a friend of mine who is originally from LA. He thinks Shaq is better than Duncan. I happen to think Tim is better than Shaq. Here is why I think that:
Tim Duncan vs. Shaq
Career numbers
Duncan: 22.5ppg, 12.2rpg, 3.1apg, 2.54bpg
Shaq: 26.7ppg, 12rpg, 2.8apg, 2.57bpg
Number of times named to the All NBA First Team
Duncan: 8, Shaq: 7
Number of times named to All Star team
Duncan: 7, Shaq: 11
Number of times named to NBA All Defensive First Team
Duncan: 6, Shaq: NONE!!
MVP Awards
Duncan: 2, Shaq: 1
Finals MVP awards
Duncan: 3, Shaq: 3
Championships
Duncan: 3, Shaq: 3
Just look at the numbers! Note that Shaq has been in the NBA for 13 years, while Duncan has only been in the NBA for 8 years. Tim Duncan has done just as much (and more) as Shaq, in less time! You tell me. Who is better??
Shaq has been, is now, and always will be the greatest Sports player in the history of the universe.
No one can ever beat him at anything.
He's even better than God...
But seriously, I think the last 2 categories carry the most weight, and they're tied in both.
However, I think Duncan has a better chance of winning more les and Finals MVP's just because he's a bit younger.
IMO apples and oranges. Two different players at two different positions. Shaq in the post...no one can move him or really effectively guard him strengthwise. Duncan moves better, has better footwork, more range on his shot and IMO is a better all around basketball player. Inside 5 feet...no one can stop Shaq. Outside that, IMO, its all TD.
Thats what I was trying to say.
And they are both big men, so its not really apples and oranges.
Basically what samikeyp said, they play 2 different positions. You can't really judge who is better or not.
I was alluding to the fact that Shaq is more of the tradtional center while Duncan is more of a forward who occasionally plays center. "big man" is a generic le for PF, SF and C. While they are both "big men" the positions they play are innately different. That was what I was trying to say.And they are both big men, so its not really apples and oranges
While Duncan's accomplishments will continue to pile up as he approaches Shaq's 13 years in the league, his stats will likely decline.
Still, a player's value is more than his statistics. IMO, Duncan is the better player.
The thing i look at is this . Physically look at duncan, ur gonna find a whole lot of players with a body similar to his , in the past, now or in the future. So he isnt technically a freak of nature. And he still trumps all those before him, (we wont kno about the future till that time comes). But shaq is physically something else, so when someone of that size comes along again, we should compare shaq with that player.
I dont like to compare shaq with any of todays players, unless were specifically talkin achievements. Its not right, just like its not right to compare duncan with a player like mcgrady or kobe or jordan etc.
yeah...its Green Apples and Red Apples.
Except three point shooting and freethrows..
I think Tim Duncan is the better guy, he has everything to be a complete player.
Shaq is just big...
Tim Duncan Is A ing Center!
Duncan is basically a center. Yes he starts at PF, but he is a C. Its like Amare. He starts at C, but he is basically a PF.
Tim is a whole different position he handles. he scores, he boards, he plays D, and even though he has better numbers (or might) the press will always argue Snaq, just because hes more marketable.
To me....Duncan is re-defining the position. Shaq is the last of the superstar traditional centers, Duncan, KG, Amare are hybrids of the positions C and F. They are natural forwards but in the NBA now, the center position is decreasing becoming one of your big, slow, plodding big man plugging up the lane. They can play in the post and on the perimeter. I disagree that he is a center. Just because we say he is...doesn't make it so..That is an opinion I disagree with...I think he is a natural forward that can play both C and PF. The center position is being redefined and TD is in the middle of it.Duncan is basically a center. Yes he starts at PF, but he is a C. Its like Amare. He starts at C, but he is basically a PF.
Shaq was always considered the better player until the 2003 playoffs, specifically game six where TD dropped 36 pts in an elimination game.
At that point TD vs Shaq debates began to spring up but most people still sided with Shaq. 2004 playoffs were the most important season in determining the best player and heres why
KG had an MVP season, TD was aiming for back to back rings and Shaq was now doubted by some as the games best player. In the end Shaq was the clear winner in match ups with TD and KG in the 04 playoffs and proved he was still the games best when he wants to be.
I think we could all agree that Shaq could easily beat Duncan in a pie eating contest.
In terms of what they've done, they're equals. But Duncan has more years left in him, we presume and hope, so there's a good chance he'll do more when their careers are done and over.
In terms of athleticism and talent, Duncan has the edge. He's a better shooter - when was the last time Shaq shot anything out of the paint, whereas Duncan can make the occassional 3 point shot. Duncan is a better passer, better rebounder, and has better footwork. THat being said, for a guy of his size, Shaq is only a notch below Duncan.
In athleticism and skill, however, KG has the edge, however, over Duncan - but other than one regular season MVP award, his career has been so far marked by losing. We'll see how it pans out - Shaq's career was marked by losing when he was in Orlando.
Amare could wind up being like KG (so far) or he could wind up being like Duncan and Shaq. Sheer talent and skill is not enough to be a winner, and to be a legendary player.
Shaq made the Finals with Orlando. I think that he is among the most overrated players in the game. If he didn't get the benefit of foul calls, he would be extremely ineffective. He wasn't even his teams best player, but the media acted like he got ripped off when Nash won it. I just think Shaq is a slow, fat s of what he used to be and the star hungry NBA lets him do whatever he wants in the paint. Tim Duncan's got skills.
I agree with that to a point. IMO, KG is the better athlete but Duncan is the better basketball player. If you are referring to athletic skill though, I am with you.In athleticism and skill, however, KG has the edge, however, over Duncan -
Don't forget, Shaq is like the Pythagorean Theorem - he can't be solved.
What abpout a TD/Shaq free throw contest, nobody wins there
That's a joke right?
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