NBA: Best 5 NBA coaches of All Time,,,,

[ironman2886]

MJ playing baseball. PJ leads the Bulls to 57 wins and game 7 of the ECF. He's won in the CBA. He's won the most rangs in NBA history.

Give the man his due.

1) PJ
2) Riley
3) Pop

If Pop wins #6, he leapfrogs Riley.

This. Can't argue with 11 rings.

[DMC]

MJ playing baseball. PJ leads the Bulls to 57 wins and game 7 of the ECF. He's won in the CBA. He's won the most rangs in NBA history.

Give the man his due.

1) PJ
2) Riley
3) Pop

If Pop wins #6, he leapfrogs Riley.

Frank Vogel led the Pacers to game 7 of the ECF. Phil is the most successful coach in terms of team championships, but a coach isn't judged by how good a great team plays, but how great a good team plays. Unless you think no one else could have done what Phil did with the players he's had, you cannot put Phil there in terms of "greatest coach". Otherwise, you have to also consider Robert Horry as greatest player since he has 7 rings and MJ has only 6. Why does Phil get the ring count and Bill Russell doesn't?

No coach has ever done what Pop has done with the same level players. It just doesn't happen, probably anywhere in professional sports.

[Cry Havoc]

Frank Vogel led the Pacers to game 7 of the ECF. Phil is the most successful coach in terms of team championships, but a coach isn't judged by how good a great team plays, but how great a good team plays. Unless you think no one else could have done what Phil did with the players he's had, you cannot put Phil there in terms of "greatest coach". Otherwise, you have to also consider Robert Horry as greatest player since he has 7 rings and MJ has only 6. Why does Phil get the ring count and Bill Russell doesn't?

No coach has ever done what Pop has done with the same level players. It just doesn't happen, probably anywhere in professional sports.

[Galileo]

terrible point system. does not take into account management of players, scouting/drafting of talent, development of talent, ability to integrate systems, management of news media, maximizing the potential of bad teams, and a number of other highly important factors that go into coaching.

Its a great point system and you can't argue with the results. You just can't understand the advanced thought of Galileo and CIA Pop.

[Phillip]

Its a great point system and you can't argue with the results. You just can't understand the advanced thought of Galileo and CIA Pop.

great rebuttal

[LkrFan]

Frank Vogel led the Pacers to game 7 of the ECF. Phil is the most successful coach in terms of team championships, but a coach isn't judged by how good a great team plays, but how great a good team plays. Unless you think no one else could have done what Phil did with the players he's had, you cannot put Phil there in terms of "greatest coach". Otherwise, you have to also consider Robert Horry as greatest player since he has 7 rings and MJ has only 6. Why does Phil get the ring count and Bill Russell doesn't?

No coach has ever done what Pop has done with the same level players. It just doesn't happen, probably anywhere in professional sports.

Frank Vogel? Let me see him do it without his best player - then we can talk. The EC wasn't no joke back then. He was a few botched possessions from going to the Finals WITHOUT MJ. Your LDS is rearing its little head when you try to bring down Phil to prop up Pop. It's futile at best.

Phil



Riley

Pop

No one has done what Phil has done. Ever. We're talking NBA history here. H2H vs Pop? Phil owns him. Look it up if you don't believe me.

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings. Did he play in any ASGs? Will he be a elected to he HOF? Will the Lakers retire his #5 jersey? No, no, and no. He was a glorified role player who hit big shots. I guess Kerr is better than Mailman too? SMH

[DMC]

Frank Vogel? Let me see him do it without his best player - then we can talk. The EC wasn't no joke back then. He was a few botched possessions from going to the Finals WITHOUT MJ. Your LDS is rearing its little head when you try to bring down Phil to prop up Pop. It's futile at best.

Phil



Riley

Pop

No one has done what Phil has done. Ever. We're talking NBA history here. H2H vs Pop? Phil owns him. Look it up if you don't believe me.

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings. Did he play in any ASGs? Will he be a elected to he HOF? Will the Lakers retire his #5 jersey? No, no, and no. He was a glorified role player who hit big shots. I guess Kerr is better than Mailman too? SMH

Are you saying Frank's best player is better than Scottie Pippen?

[ambchang]

If best coach means best coattail rider, then yes, Jackson is the best.

Jordan+pippen+grant/rodman. To top it off, winter took care of the triangle.

Then shaq + anything will lead you to three rings in those days.

His two rings with MVPau were the most impressive, but they had still by far the best front court in The league.

He didn't change anything, nobody adopted any elements of the system from his teams because teams just can't adopt that talent level, these are to elements that could be acquired.

Whereas daly shaped the entire 90s, brown created an entire coaching tree, including pop and his disciples, Jackson, like Riley, changed nothing. At least Auerbach introduced the element of defense, fastbreaks and playing black players in the league. What did Jackson and Riley bring?

[Clipper Nation]

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings.

Kirby was a role player for all 5 of his rings, yet your people ran the 5>4 schtick into the ground

[LkrFan]

Kirby was a role player for all 5 of his rings, yet your people ran the 5>4 schtick into the ground

Fisher》CP

[scanry]

Fisher》CP

Dude, Fisher is clutch as f@ck. Intel Pentium 3 on the other hand defers to players like Pargo & Collison. And you're trying to troll CN with P3 stickh. Man, did you bump your head with a ****** while jumping fences?

[scanry]

Kirby was a role player for all 5 of his rings, yet your people ran the 5>4 schtick into the ground

How sweet is it that the old man is ting on the beta's legacy.

And to think that this beta had the nerve to throw the ring count at Duncan's face a couple of seasons ago. Pretty incredible that Tim was this year's playoffs MVP at age 38.

[LkrFan]

Dude, Fisher is clutch as f@ck. Intel Pentium 3 on the other hand defers to players like Pargo & Collison. And you're trying to troll CN with P3 stickh. Man, did you bump your head with a ****** while jumping fences?

N - you me ask why det?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Frank Vogel? Let me see him do it without his best player - then we can talk. The EC wasn't no joke back then. He was a few botched possessions from going to the Finals WITHOUT MJ. Your LDS is rearing its little head when you try to bring down Phil to prop up Pop. It's futile at best.

Phil



Riley

Pop

No one has done what Phil has done. Ever. We're talking NBA history here. H2H vs Pop? Phil owns him. Look it up if you don't believe me.

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings. Did he play in any ASGs? Will he be a elected to he HOF? Will the Lakers retire his #5 jersey? No, no, and no. He was a glorified role player who hit big shots. I guess Kerr is better than Mailman too? SMH

I give Phil the #1 spot, but not to the extent that 11 championships suggests. He was handed the best player in the history of the game on a platter, and he was in a great position as assistant to Doug Collins early on.

By the way, it's entirely possible for there to be coaches with less than 5 rings who are, in principle, better than Pop. It'd be disingenuous to use that argument only to bring down Phil. When you compare Pop and Carlisle, for example, you'd want to put Carlisle in Pop's position and see how many rings he wins in the same number of years with the same personnel. If it's 5, then he's as good as Pop. If it's less than 5, Pop is better. If it's more than 5, Carlisle is better.

You can do this sort of head game with any coaching pair. Put Pop in Phil's position and see how many rings he wins. , since Phil is the pinnacle at 11 rings, the best hypothetical time travel experiment would be to put any coach in Phil's position and see how they do.

And really, the most complete experiment would be to put every coach in every other coach's position. Hypothetically, Pop wins 9 rings with Phil's personnel, 2 rings with Carlisle's personnel, and 5 with what actually transpired. Maybe Phil gets 11 rings (reality), 0 with Carlisle's personnel, and 4 with Pop's personnel.

The upshot is that looking at rings alone is overly simplistic. It's impossible to reach the ideal assessment mentioned above because it's impossible to go back in time and repeat the "experiment" of life, but it's worth speculating about.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings. Did he play in any ASGs? Will he be a elected to he HOF? Will the Lakers retire his #5 jersey? No, no, and no. He was a glorified role player who hit big shots. I guess Kerr is better than Mailman too? SMH

I mean, this is no less speculative than what people are doing when they close the gap between Phil and Pop more than 11 vs 5 implies. To what extent did Phil coat-tail his way to 6 rings with M.J. 3 rings with Shaq, and 2 rings with Pau? To what extent did Pop coat-tail his way to 4 rings with Duncan and 1 ring with an incredibly balanced team? It's not clear.

[Galileo]

Small market rings:

Phil ZERO
Red ZERO
CIA Pop FIVE


CIA Pop > Phil + Red!

[midnightpulp]

Frank Vogel? Let me see him do it without his best player - then we can talk. The EC wasn't no joke back then. He was a few botched possessions from going to the Finals WITHOUT MJ. Your LDS is rearing its little head when you try to bring down Phil to prop up Pop. It's futile at best.

Phil



Riley

Pop

No one has done what Phil has done. Ever. We're talking NBA history here. H2H vs Pop? Phil owns him. Look it up if you don't believe me.

The Horry schtick is old. He coat tailed to all 7 of his rings. Did he play in any ASGs? Will he be a elected to he HOF? Will the Lakers retire his #5 jersey? No, no, and no. He was a glorified role player who hit big shots. I guess Kerr is better than Mailman too? SMH

That comparison is actually closer than you think.