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I meant that Parker got credit for a ring this season, people were even using it to bring down other PGs of this generation(Paul, Nash, etc), even though Parker had little to do with the Spurs' championship, tbh..
Especially when the leader of the team didn't cry/beg for an all star or request a trade when such help didn't arrive.
I meant that Parker got credit for a ring this season, people were even using it to bring down other PGs of this generation(Paul, Nash, etc), even though Parker had little to do with the Spurs' championship, tbh..
It'd be more the 6th ring than the b2b that helps his legacy. I mean we only have MJ, Russell, and Kareem up there with 6+ rings and "best player in league" status at some point.
But yeah, I think Duncan would easily be top 3-4 (depending on where you put Russell) with 6. As of now he's 5-6 with Magic/Wilt arguably above him still along with MJ, Kareem, and Russell.
LeBron need 3 more rings to get in there, and tbh I don't see it happening, even if he can cakewalk through the east still.
Debatable with Magic. Kareem is criminally underrated and has been for years. I won't have any problems putting Duncan over Magic but they're about tie IMO.
If Lebron didnt win another ring, BSPN would still have him as a top 5 guy, Duncan can hold him off with a 6th and head to head win this year over the Cavs
This is true but winning b2b is still a feat in itself.
I agree with that got, TBHusing rings to rank players is the most antiquated ranking method in sports, tbh..
People that use rings as a point of argument are generally incapable of understanding numbers/logic/cir stances, etc..
Nothing. Duncan already cemented his place in the top 10 since 2005.
Unless Duncan goes on a tear and carry a spurs team with no Leonard, parker and ginobili to a le averaging 25/12/4/3, his all time ranking is not affected.
At this point in his career, well past his prime and 17 seasons in, Duncan can only demonstrate his importance as a system or even role player, he is not a superstar at this point, and no top 10 player of all time ever made their case because of a season by not even being a top 10 player in the league.
Not saying Duncan is not important, but he's playing a bulls rodman or le Robinson role right now, and Duncan's career is too good to be affected by these types of seasons.
lol, I love how everyone thinks that the talking heads at BSPN who have the most influence on these rankings would think like this. They only look at rings. Before the 5th ring, Duncan was behind Kobe, now he is ahead.... cuz he got a ring
So then they should think Horry is ahead of Michael since they only look at rings, are do you want to quit sounding like a ing idiot?
DMC.....come on b.
Sorry. Had too many windows open, wrong forum. It's been deleted. Please keep the personal information to yourself.
What? You accidentally entered your credit card info here thinking it was your favorite porn site? You have a lot of going on there buddy. Jacking off to tranny's and talking to to Luva deserves an award.
Don't you worry about it.
Duncan was never behind Kobe.
People who were stupid enough to ever put Duncan behind Kobe should still be putting Duncan behind Kobe to maintain their consistency in their stupidity.
What's the feat?
The BSPN analysts did
Tim actually was "behind" Kobe maybe for a year or two, around 01/02, when both were still relatively unproven commodities, at least on the GOAT scale.
Ever since Timmy singlehandedly carried the Spurs to the 03 le though, there's been little question.
In fact around 03's pretty much where the two split off, career wise. They both stayed with the same franchise but other than that, the way the two players handled their business since then have been polar opposites.
lol fail, you are such a moron, you are altering the argument to include role players who werent past league MVP's
Oh and smooth move with the deleted post brah, google cache that lol
If he is once again the team best player in the playoffs, i would say top 3
You kidding right?
Duncan already had a finals MVP under his belt and was the clear #1 on a le contender. He was widely regarded as one of the two or three best players in the league with his 99 MVP taken away from him by pedophile.
Kobe was the clear #2 in the same breath as Vince carter back then.
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I"m talking about a small window of approximately a year or so when Kobe had 3 les to Tim's "0.5", and had beaten up on the Spurs pretty handily during those. Not all of the threepeat era by any means, basically, around the time after the 2002 le. It didn't last very long because of Tim's efforts the very next postseason, but I do believe that existed. I was a kid back then but I remember the Spurs getting their asses kicked by the Lakers and Kobe specifically a couple yrs before we won again.
Tim is still the centerpiece. One could actually argue he's still a top 10 player. While these later years cannot be valued as much as his prime years, they're not worthless either. Certainly adding another ring will boost his legacy even more from a longevity perspective.
Horry is a bad example, all time great must have at least one MVP and one FMVP, this excludes Parker/Billup/Leonard's of the world as well.
Once you meet this bare minimum requirement, rings become very important. If you go to any player's wiki page, top three stats are always:
- 5x NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
- 3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
- 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
Unbiased, Jordan/Kareem/Russell (He had far and away the most stacked team by a mile vs his compe ion, but if you penalize him because of team strength you have to look at everyone else and it gets messy) have to be ahead of him in most rankings. Magic Johnson is also slightly ahead with 5/3/3. He is better than everyone else.
LeBron has a great chance of catching him, 1 more ring + FMVP + MVP would do it for me.
In my heart, with bias, Duncan had the weakest supporting cast, smallest market and cheapest roster to work with, he would have won far more if he played for say, Phil Jackson with Kobe. In my head, he is the Captain America of all time great's. His individual dominance is less than say, Shaq the incredible Hulk or other players on the list with the exception of 2002/2003, but he more than makes it up with leadership which gives the entire Spurs team a huge boost, and turns second tier stars like Parker/Ginobili into gold.
Last edited by hitmantb; 08-18-2014 at 08:51 PM.
You are proving to be stupid considering that Duncan has always been behind God. I can't stress that enough God is superior to Duncan and always has been. God's career has been a story book career while Duncan's career has been the equivalent of watching a boring soap opera.
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