No one is saying we should just withdrawal, but I think we can all agree that there needs to be a set time-table and it needs to be a relatively quick time-table. We've tried the 'playing things out' game before and it didn't turn out so good for us. As Mr. Johnson wrote, there is no easy choice in Iraq. We either continue to support a Islamic government that is already closely allied with Iran or we let it slip into a possible civil war. I say we take the route that will bring more of our troops home.
Oh please! You think anyone with a different point of view from yours is either anti-american or terrorist. Since when did you become the epitome of what an American should be? Please enlighten everyone here as to how an American should be. Although please refrain from making one of your incredibly long rants that aim to bewilder with sheer quan y rather than substance. This time, get to the point.
That "Hate America" if you speak out gets on my nerves every time I hear that crap.
Not true...I think those that say the exact same things the terrorists say are anti-american and pro terrorist...I am right, they are, whether they realize it or not...the terrorists are the bad guys here. Any argument on their behalf is propaganda and politicized bull that preys on those too lazy to check out history for themselves.
Since when did you become the epitome of what an American should be?
I am Joe American...I am the moderate American, these ing conspiracy theorists aren't the moderate American...get ing real. IF they are then I don't blame the rest of the world for being scared of us. It's just that simple.
Americans should not put being liked by enemies of progression, civilization, and freedom of the individual over doing the right thing, it's nice to be liked, but not if it's for doing the wrong thing, and letting people in the Middle East continue to be ruled by dictators and religious fanatics is the wrong ing thing, and it's so easy to say it isn't when you live in a free society....Please enlighten everyone here as to how an American should be.
Americans need to check their cynicism...
Life is not real complicated...the first thing anyone learns is that you always stand up to a bully...
Sorry that I am not a fast food poster...Although please refrain from making one of your incredibly long rants that aim to bewilder with sheer quan y rather than substance. This time, get to the point.
I love my Country.
Served my Country and anyone who thinks I'm anti-American and pro-terrorist can kiss my ass.
Look...I am not going to ing argue with you about it...if you say the same things terrorists do...you are supporting the terrorists, whether you realize it or not...and those Americans that say kind of and attack this country in that way...I am going to attack them back. If you think I am going to sit there and let people say stupid that is factually untrue or bull speculation you're ed in the head. If they have the right to attack this country...I goddamned have the right to defend it, and those don't like my opinion on it can go themselves. This aint going to be no Vietnam...I am not going to sit silent while a bunch of people impose their idea on what this country should do against the will of the people. I am going to speak my mind and badger them the same way they are badgering the country. I like my ing country...I don't give a if anyone else likes it.There are plenty of reasons why people speak out against the war, and most of them have nothing to do with hating america Whottt; and yet your answer to all of them is either " ing hater" or "damn terrorist". Its like clockwork with you.
You asked...but I've voted for the guy who won the popular vote in every election I have been eligible to vote in...regardless of party. And I don't see how pointing out that my view is the average one is being condescending.Please tell me again who's the one being condescending?
I'm sorry, I was under the impression the US started this war to alledgedly protect itself from a terrorist threat, not to heroically liberate the Iraqui people. That part just came after the "terrorist threat" excuse didn't fly I guess.
And what makes you think those two things are different?
How did this terrorist problem grow?
Apathy...not just apathy on the part of America...apathy on the part of Europe, the Soviet Union, America, about the situation in the middle east after two World Wars...
That part where you say, these guys have been ed up for years, and there is no helping them...well, that's the at ude that the Western Powers had for the entire 20th century...just let the damn crazy native be crazy natives and don't get into their ...well we are in it now, they brought us into it. There is rampant poverty, human rights violations, illiteracy, and bunch of dictators that think they knows what's best for 100 of millions of people, and they are masters at deflecting their peoples rage at them in our direction. And in an age where one suicidal man can take out a city...it's complete an utter ignorance to be apathetic towards this problem, where you have a comination of a nihilistic religious extremism, billions of dollars, and nuclear technology.
Liberating the Iraqis and getting rid of all these s bag despots or pressuring them to stop being brutally opressive to these people, is the best way to defeat terrorism..it's the only way to do it.
What's good for them is good for us...
Yawn...maybe I should stick to indepth commentary like, WAR FOR OIL, IMPERIALISM, HALIBURTON...oooh so impressive.LOL, that is exactly what you are. Sheer quan y, cero substance. Fast food at its basest.
"Liberating the Iraqis and getting rid of all these s bag despots"
Whott, you keep chasing your ty tail. Iraq wasn't involved in Islamic terrorism, no matter how many times head mumbles it was. head is a con-man who has descended to being an object of ridicule by insisting Saddam was connected to 9/11 specifically and terrorism in general withlout presenting ing iota of evidence (executive privilege allows to keep his unique evidence secret).
Iraq was invaded, by the Repugs for the Repugs, in order to win the 2004 election. It was Rove-ian s bag re-election strategy that worked, but just barely with the tiniest %age of victory margins. The Iraq was has NOTHING to with the source jihadi terrorism. JUST THE OPPOSITE. The Iraq is the dominant source, created by the Repugs, for jihadi terrorism.
The main reason given, WMD, and the next 20 reasons, were all lies. THAT's a truth worth "squealing" no matter how times you right-wing radical heads say you are tired of hearing it.
So which country do you say US will invade next to rid it s bag despots?
What's the schedule?
When will conscription be re-instated to support your very long list of invasions?
And just how will these invasions NOT be inflammatory terrorist recruiting
campaigns, far more effective than any recruiting campaign for your red-state super-patriot kids (who seem to have lost all taste for the Iraq invasion)?
You're a ing D I S G R A C E !
"You're a ing D I S G R A C E !"
These cartoons depict absolutely nothing but EXACTLY the reason, from the incredible pathological "shrub-think", that shrub said, just a couple days ago, that he will keep wasting US lives in Iraq:
paraphrase: We must "honor" the US lives that I and the Repugs have wasted in Iraq by wasting more US lives, so no life will be wasted in vain.
and then, shrub "got on with my life".
The only insanity greater than shrubworld is the insanity of those who support and defend the insanity.
Meanwhile, back at the Iraqi Ranch of Freedom, Democracy, and Terrorism Central built with wasted US military lives:
Sunnis Offer Counterproposals on the Iraqi Cons ution
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 9:10 a.m. ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Sunni negotiator Fakhri al-Qaisi said Saturday that the Sunnis have submitted counter-proposals on the cons ution to the parliament speaker and will meet later with the U.S. ambassador.
Al-Qaisi said Sunni Arab delegates had met with parliament speaker Hajim al-Hassani and ''we gave him the amendments on the draft. We are waiting for an answer.''
He said the Sunnis would also confer later with U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad.
Al-Qaisi said the Sunnis do not accept the draft which Shiites and Kurds said Friday was complete. He said the Sunnis would not agree ''unless the amendments we added today are included'' in the version which will be given to parliament Sunday.
On federalism, he said the Sunnis wanted ''decentralized'' provinces with a ''special case'' for Kurdish areas but the Shiite position on the status of the Baath Party ''is totally rejected.''
Last edited by boutons; 08-27-2005 at 09:06 AM.
Lets see, we went into Germany 60 years ago, into Japan in 60 years ago, into
Korea in 1950 into Kosovo about 8-9 years ago and into Iraq two years ago, but we
need a plan to get out of Iraq, errrrrr, why not the other places. Same old arguments, as Regan said: there you go again. What a bunch of losers and as usual
wrong as can be..........oh, have you all noticed: Bush is President and will be for
a few more years....get used to it......
The sad thing is every time another US troop dies, Dan gets a smile on his face.
People like you don't deserve to be able to say US troops died protecting your freedom.
[QUOTE=boutons]"Liberating the Iraqis and getting rid of all these s bag despots"
Iraq was invaded, by the Repugs for the Repugs, in order to win the 2004 election.
QUOTE]
um....you do realize that your white knight democrats overwhelmingly supported invading Iraq?
NBADan,
There's nothing wrong with anti-war cartoons per se, but mocking dead and wounded troops is in incredibly bad taste. The cartoonist that did these - especially the first one- has got to be a total asshole.
I wonder how much the Denver Post and the Miami Herald are catching.
(aside - it's almost like those cartoons were meant to be viewed together, though. Even the his, his, her, his thing matches up. Strange.)
Political cartoons are not always "politically correct" and in bad taste but they are meant to be to get their point across.
It's not about being PC...when is the last time you saw a PC cartoon? All political cartoons are about mocking someone...in this case they are mocking the soldiers (especially in the first one) and I think that's some very tacky and offensive bull . The 'point' they are getting across is that the dying and wounded soldiers are delusional, clueless idiots.
I laughed!
- boutons referring to a US soldier.
boutons supports the troops too....
Well, I don't see it that way and apparently their message is coming through because they've struck a nerve with you. So in escence, their purpose has been served.
But don't get me wrong, I see the offensive nature of the cartoon.
I've Ben Hiden.
I laughed!
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