Heat: Was walking away from Miami a mistake?

[100%duncan]

I agree that the Cavs aren't beating the Spurs. But playing LeBron is going to take a toll on your production since you're going to have to take a backseat to him. Case in point: Love is sucking right now, but his stats in Cleveland are still better than those of Bosh when he played with LeBron.


Irving will mature with time. He's still young. And talent-wise, he's better than Wade at this point in his career.

You mean those that netted a back to back?

Love is a regular season statpadder until he proves otherwise.

[Mal]

Well yeah, but if u add Lebron to that equation....

If you add LeBron, Bosh will be still jumpshooting soft big, just standing in the corner and do . I didnt watch Miami this year, but I suppose his role has changed.

[ambchang]

Neither the Heat with Lebron nor the Cavs will be winning the championship this year, the West is just too stacked, and Lebron, after 4 straight finals appearances, is exhausted.

Moving to the Cavs opened up more possibilities in the future, and allows Lebron to mold a franchise that has a few seasons before the real pressure is on. The Cavs has a lot of built in excuse if it doesn't win a championship (rookie coach, young players, unfamiliarity) while the Heat will be viewed as done.

Lebron made the right move, it preserved his image (possibly even enhanced it) after a historical failure in the Finals, it allowed him to move back home where he will be loved no matter what he does, it allowed him to share the blame with Love, Irving and Blatt, and it gave him more options in the future.

In other words, Miami is pretty much a dead end street, Cleveland at least gave him some choices.

[100%duncan]

Neither the Heat with Lebron nor the Cavs will be winning the championship this year, the West is just too stacked, and Lebron, after 4 straight finals appearances, is exhausted.

Moving to the Cavs opened up more possibilities in the future, and allows Lebron to mold a franchise that has a few seasons before the real pressure is on. The Cavs has a lot of built in excuse if it doesn't win a championship (rookie coach, young players, unfamiliarity) while the Heat will be viewed as done.

Lebron made the right move, it preserved his image (possibly even enhanced it) after a historical failure in the Finals, it allowed him to move back home where he will be loved no matter what he does, it allowed him to share the blame with Love, Irving and Blatt, and it gave him more options in the future.

In other words, Miami is pretty much a dead end street, Cleveland at least gave him some choices.

Say Lebron's Heat and Lebron's Cavs of today face n 7 games, who would win? (Not 2007-2010 cavs nor 2011-2014 Heat, I mean if we had two lebrons and he had these two teams today)

[djohn2oo8]

No it wasn't a bad move. Wade got lazy with his health when Bron was there. Bosh is having a breakout season and he seems motivated by him leaving

[TDMVPDPOY]

lebron cavs vs lebron heat = same , u cant do when lebron is in mental midget state

if u look at the heat, t hey only go when the role players click

[100%duncan]

lebron cavs vs lebron heat = same , u cant do when lebron is in mental midget state

if u look at the heat, t hey only go when the role players click

asnwer it u wanka

[ambchang]

Say Lebron's Heat and Lebron's Cavs of today face n 7 games, who would win? (Not 2007-2010 cavs nor 2011-2014 Heat, I mean if we had two lebrons and he had these two teams today)

Is pick Miami in 5 or 6.

That said, with a player like Lebron, it's championship or bust so his goal shouldn't be going to a better team, it should be going to a team with better championship outlook and if one is not available, go with the one where he can get more love.

[100%duncan]

Is pick Miami in 5 or 6.

That said, with a player like Lebron, it's championship or bust so his goal shouldn't be going to a better team, it should be going to a team with better championship outlook and if one is not available, go with the one where he can get more love.

Well, same answer then.

[Franklin]

Bron will probably make the Decision III in 2 years tbh

[Buddy Mignon]

The '04 Olympics is all Kobefan has left since Tim tied up the count

[Clipper Nation]

Leaving Miami wasn't a mistake. He wasn't going to win anything else with Washed-Up Wade and soft Bosh. The mistake was going to Cleveland.

[Mr Bones]

Did Bron press the panic button too soon?

I take LeBron at his word, that he wanted to return home and someday bring a championship to Cleveland. I don't think he panicked at all.

[King Emmanuel]

anytime you leave a proven championship team for a hole like the cavs it's a mistake

[King Emmanuel]

and its funny how people think nba players actually care about winning lebron is sitting back on his extra hundreds of millions of dollars he made by going back to cleveland, making commercials out of it and new sponsorship deals while you guys are debating his legacy and

[Thebesteva]

anytime you leave a proven championship team for a hole like the cavs it's a mistake

Exactly, well said

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I take LeBron at his word, that he wanted to return home and someday bring a championship to Cleveland. I don't think he panicked at all.

Really? Did you hear his Fruedian slip during the 'coming home' ceremony? He said and I quote," If I wanted to be selfish and just think about me and what I want, I would have stayed in Miami. But this is about us, I did what was right and I came back here."
A lot of Cavs fans were like...I think he worded that wrong He meant something else right guys?

[hater]

IMO Lebron was partying too much in South Beach. Can't blame him. He had to get out of there or he would end up an STD infested mutant looking dude like Wade. Yes he quit again but he also had legit reasons

[Infinite_limit]

If you can't sustain it when it matters, it's a gimmick. What we know about Chicago is that they'll post a solid regular season record, they'll be some buzz about if this is the year they'll make some noise, and then they'll fold like a cheap chair in the 2nd round.
That's the Bulls we know and love. There's zero indication it will be any different this season, so we'll go with that until proven otherwise.

There was no shame losing in the Conference Finals when you have less roster talent than the other teams. Is Noah going to the Hall of Fame? Would you prefer Boozer, Ibaka, Ginobili or Bosh?

[ElNono]

There was no shame losing in the Conference Finals when you have less roster talent than the other teams. Is Noah going to the Hall of Fame? Would you prefer Boozer, Ibaka, Ginobili or Bosh?

It is a shame that they keep relying on middle-of-the-road talent like Hinrich, Noah, Butler, etc... that's entirely on the Bulls, tbh...

Noah a HoF? I don't know. Is Ben Wallace a HoF'er? Big Ben has a ring, Noah is an Euro champ. He's obviously far from Bosh or Gino in that aspect, IMO, tho I'm not sure what that has to do with the Bulls being a gimmick.

[Mr Bones]

Exactly, well said




Really? Did you hear his Fruedian slip during the 'coming home' ceremony? He said and I quote," If I wanted to be selfish and just think about me and what I want, I would have stayed in Miami. But this is about us, I did what was right and I came back here."
A lot of Cavs fans were like...I think he worded that wrong He meant something else right guys?

He could've made more money staying in Miami.

I don't get the LeBron criticisms. He played for Cleveland for 7 years and they were unable to give him a good supporting cast. So he left for Miami, taking a pay cut to win, went to the finals 4 years in a row, and then, as a free agent decided to return back home. It doesn't seem very complicated.

[Mr Bones]

You have no objectivity about the situation.... Cleveland may be a " hole" to you, but it is LeBron's home. Lots of people in the U.S. think L.A. is a smoggy, traffic-clogged hole full of superficial, glitzy, plastic surgery people too. Regardless, LeBron returned to the place where he grew up. Honestly, between the two, I'd much rather live in Cleveland.

[Splits]

and its funny how people think nba players actually care about winning lebron is sitting back on his extra hundreds of millions of dollars he made by going back to cleveland, making commercials out of it and new sponsorship deals while you guys are debating his legacy and

This. When's the last time a big time free agent decided to go to SA? All they do is win, in the picture every year.

[BatManu20]

Cavs will still make it to the Finals. Book it, imo.

[Sean Cagney]

Jimmy tuning his back on his country was a disgrace.

Obsessed with the man much? He is always on your mind.


Don't forget Kirby dropping out of the Olympics in 04 instead of helping them win a Gold, him and Shaq. I know the rape trial

[Thebesteva]

He could've made more money staying in Miami.

I don't get the LeBron criticisms. He played for Cleveland for 7 years and they were unable to give him a good supporting cast. So he left for Miami, taking a pay cut to win, went to the finals 4 years in a row, and then, as a free agent decided to return back home. It doesn't seem very complicated.

1) He had every right to leave, its the decision that was re ed. During 2008-2010, there was a quiet cold war going on between Lebron fans and haters. We were saying the dude was an immature brat, his fans on the other hand were claiming he was the classiest guy in the league. The Decision settled the debate, and his delusional behavior and "what should I do" commercial cemented who Bron Bron really is.

2) Teaming up with Wade was embarrassing. It was a made move imho. Someone that is that talented basically told Wade and Bosh that he's a mental midget and needs someone else to take over games. People always say what about Kobe + Shaq...those are two very different positions. Bron Bron was asking for Wade to basically take over the 4th because he couldn't. That's exactly the reason he won 2 and why he wont be able to win again barring any injuries to the WCF champion