Barkley vs Duncan: analytics comparison

[Proxy]

Some. I think there's no money it measuring them. We don't use stats for average fastbreak speed, arc of shot, time between free throw attempts, near blocks, good passes that don't lead to assists, forcing a charge call, taking a charge/forcing a turnover. The numbers are out there, surely some teams are finding them but someone has to watch film and record numbers and then you worry about interpretation of footage, two people might have different interpretations of a play.

wonder if recorded stats like that could have prevented something like SA from signing RJ. If that were possible, then there might be money in it somewhere for owners?

[DMC]

wonder if recorded stats like that could have prevented something like SA from signing RJ. If that were possible, then there might be money in it somewhere for owners?

Or they could show that RJ was better than we gave him credit for being, and that neither Pop or most other coaches have utilized his strengths properly.

[Proxy]

Or they could show that RJ was better than we gave him credit for being, and that neither Pop or most other coaches have utilized his strengths properly.

good point

[lefty]

Analytics

[Arcadian]

They are only immeasurable with current technology... but they wont always be. All "analytics" represent is a structured way of processing data points, in much the same way the human brain does (although we're not always conscious of the specific steps its taking) in applying the "eye test."

Look at software/cameras like SportVU that allows us to track and analyze data from on-court movements. Before, we weren't able to correlate performance data with physical movement data, but we are starting to be able to. One day we'll be able to analyze data that looks at physical interactions between players as well and use that as a datapoint. , today websites and grocery stores use eye-tracking cameras to investigate how people process visual information. It won't be long until someone tries something similar with ball handlers to explore ways to measure "court vision."

Things like "drive" and "perseverance" and "leadership" are often called "immeasurable," but advances in neurology/psychology and technology that actually interprets the electrical signals in the brain may one day allow those things to be quantified too (especially if that data is correlated with stats, movement data, etc.)

There's nothing that will forever be "immeasurable." We're just limited by our current technology and understanding of human behavior. So we fill in the gaps with things like "the eye test" and "experience" until something better comes along.

Nice post! Science, es.

...two people might have different interpretations of a play.

That can also be quantified. It's called "inter-rater reliability" in behavioral science.

[FkLA]

How did you know that i like it in the ass?

[barbacoataco]

I think Barkley's TV career as a buffoon has somewhat diminished his reputation as a player. As someone who is old enough to remember, he was a great player. He was 2nd only to Jordan for a few years.

Overall I put Dancan higher because of his defense, heart, high b-ball IQ, dependable low post scoring ability, and will to win. But Barkley was a real bad ass too, and his stats show it.

[100%duncan]

"Tim Duncan is the best Power Forward to ever play the game." -Charles Barkley