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    TP/Manu's decline isn't surprising. Duncan still being one of the best bigs in the league is insane doe.

    Manu, Tony, and Pop better wake up every single morning thanking Timmy for the careers they've had tbh.

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    Exactly. SORE achilles. Just bc an achilles tear is severe doesn't make his soreness more than what it is. I'm sure Duncan suffers from sore knees, doesn't mean I'm going to exxagerate the severity and equate it to ACL injuries.
    For anyone that is unbiased, it is easy to see how he started the season well and then significantly declined after the Achilles injury. You don't drop off that fast. It's easily injury related.

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    That's the only year he was great. If he had been that good for more years he would have my respect. Even then, he faltered when being guarded by LeBron (no shame in that though) and that was around the time when the system had evolved to help shoulder the load. Prime Timmy and prime Manu never had such a sophisticated system, it was their individual greatness that got us the mid 00s les.
    not even close to true. You are rewriting history to fit your bias. Parker has had a great run as one of the best guards in the league. I've never been a big fan, but I'm not so biased I can't acknowledge his greatness.

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    C'mon now... TP was a Leonard free throw choke away from taking home that finals MVP in 2013.. the dude was sensational... and was a top MVP pick by the media..
    Tony wasn't winning the 2013 FMVP, tbh.

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    There's nothing weird about "wearing out" at 37 years old, especially for a guard with as many miles as Manu (when you consider he's been a pro since he was 19, plus NT in the summers).

    What's really weird is how good Tim is at 39...

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    C'mon now... TP was a Leonard free throw choke away from taking home that finals MVP in 2013.. the dude was sensational... and was a top MVP pick by the media..
    It was revealed that Duncan would have won the Finals MVP if we didn't choke away that game.

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    People actually think tony was going to win FMVP in 2013.

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    There's nothing weird about "wearing out" at 37 years old, especially for a guard with as many miles as Manu (when you consider he's been a pro since he was 19, plus NT in the summers).

    What's really weird is how good Tim is at 39...
    Exactly. I never would have predicted Manu would be as productive as he is at this age a decade ago. Pop really did well with managing his (and Duncan's) minutes over the years. That's why I don't hate on Pop for not playing Kawhi 40 MPG.

    It was revealed that Duncan would have won the Finals MVP if we didn't choke away that game.
    As I showed on the previous page, Parker had no business winning FMVP in that series. Duncan would have been the clear-winner going away.

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    You think 40 year old Duncan isn't sore all over? Enrique isn't dealing with anything that other players in their mid 30s and over aren't. He just doesn't have anything to fall back on since he was always just a speed reliant, scoring PG.
    All of the pg's in the league don't have much to fall back on once they lose their step.

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    MVParker and Manu are more than good they are great players, but there is a difference between great (HOF even) and Goats (greatest of all time). Tony and Manu are the former, Timmy is the later there is no shame in that.

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    2013 was Tony's most dominant season, tbh... he was good to very good before, he would get his numbers, but there was always something that would come up (ie: Sefolosha in 2012) that would just put a dent or stop and then we had to look somewhere else.

    But in 2013 he was unstoppable, and he was also finally able to pick his spots on when to score and create... the disappointing part is that it lasted so little, tbh...

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    For anyone that is unbiased, it is easy to see how he started the season well and then significantly declined after the Achilles injury. You don't drop off that fast. It's easily injury related.
    That would make sense except he didn't pull the achilles injury excuse until like the last week of the season.

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._yearly_p.html

    In 2003 Duncan carried the weakest team ever to a championship over three-peat Lakers, with highest post season win share in the history of the NBA. One of the few lone wolf championships, MVP + FMVP in same season. Sop re Parker/rookie Ginobili combined for 21 points a game at 40% shooting.

    12 years later, Duncan is still averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds with 57% shooting, Parker/Ginobili combine for 16 points a game at . . . 35% shooting.

    Honestly Pop/Duncan is so incredibly underrated for doing so much with so little. You just don't build the core of a championship team with 28th and 57th picks. Parker/Ginobili had great years, they are overachievers with huge heart, but they are very very very far from sidekicks of multiple championship teams like Pippen, Kobe, Gasol, Wade/Bosh, etc. As much as Duncan achieved, I wish prime Duncan played with other top 10/20 players of the league. The last time he had that was in 1999 with near-prime David Robinson and they went 15-2 in the post season.
    Uh.........how is this amazing?

    Tim shuffles along the court. His vertical leap is four inches. Manu and Tony crash to the floor ninety times a game and make hard, full speed cuts to the basket. The latter style tears up knees and ankles.

    Anyone with half a brain saw this coming. The only possible debate was which would wear down faster, Manu or Parker.

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    That would make sense except he didn't pull the achilles injury excuse until like the last week of the season.
    No it was intermittent . He tried to rest it midseason and it came back.

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    No it was intermittent . He tried to rest it midseason and it came back.
    Do your research. It wasn't an achilles boo boo he sat out for, it was a mild asscheek strain.

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    I mean, Duncan's accomplishments are undeniably amazing in every aspect, but still it's not too surprising that guards wear out their value faster basketball-wise before big men do. That's how it usually works.

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    All of the pg's in the league don't have much to fall back on once they lose their step.
    How about Nash or Stockton or Kidd? Or even someone like Dre Miller or Billups? If Enrique ever had an ounce of their courtvision or ever developed his 3 PT shot he wouldn't be such a scrub tbh.

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    Not even close. A sore Achilles is not just bumps and bruises. When Tim had plantar faciitis several years ago, he looked bad. Not all ailments are equal. Added to all that is that the bigs in the NBA mostly suck such that a highly skilled big man with one bad knee can still dominate the raw bigs of today. If 39 year old Duncan was playing a 25 year old Shaq, Robinson, or Hakeen, he'd get his butt kicked. Point guard is the deepest pool of talent in the NBA and significant injuries like an Achilles is a serious disadvantage. The best player on the Clips is Paul, he'd be a handful if Parker was 100%. The fact he is injured only makes a tough task impossible.
    We're talking about an 18 foot shot. If he can't adjust to make that, then he's trash. Players have all sorts of aches and pains every night and they compensate for it. It's not a damn hard shot to ask him to make 40% from. He's like 10% or something.

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    There's nothing weird about "wearing out" at 37 years old, especially for a guard with as many miles as Manu (when you consider he's been a pro since he was 19, plus NT in the summers).

    What's really weird is how good Tim is at 39...
    Duncan has been good but it's really a combo of things. One, bigs can always play until they are in their late 30s unless they get a career ending injury. Still, most are not as effective as Duncan. Part of that is Duncan's high skill level and part of that is the lack of big man talent in the league. Robinson was in the hey day of the centers. Duncan isn't playing against the Shaqs, Robinsons, Hakeems, or even the Ewings. He's facing bigs that are athletic, but not highly skilled. Now when Duncan dominated as a power forwRd, it was at a time when that was the deepest position in the league, talent-wise. But now, not so much. It's still incredible that he can play at such a high level, but I do think there are various reasons for that.

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    We're talking about an 18 foot shot. If he can't adjust to make that, then he's trash. Players have all sorts of aches and pains every night and they compensate for it. It's not a damn hard shot to ask him to make 40% from. He's like 10% or something.
    You agree that the last couple of years, he could make that shot? And I assume you agree that he played well against Paul two seasons ago? You don't lose a mid range jump shot overnight without something affecting it. If you want to write him off, fine. But I think Parker could regain much of his form with good health. I think he could have another two years at a high level, if healthy. Better hope so, bc he isn't getting traded and we've got no one on the roster that is more than a short term replacement.

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    How about Nash or Stockton or Kidd? Or even someone like Dre Miller or Billups? If Enrique ever had an ounce of their courtvision or ever developed his 3 PT shot he wouldn't be such a scrub tbh.
    lol all those names...one ring.

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    The way Manu's played and all the summers he's played I'm amazed he's still playing. I always predicted he would be done at 32-34 at the latest.

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    You agree that the last couple of years, he could make that shot? And I assume you agree that he played well against Paul two seasons ago? You don't lose a mid range jump shot overnight without something affecting it. If you want to write him off, fine. But I think Parker could regain much of his form with good health. I think he could have another two years at a high level, if healthy. Better hope so, bc he isn't getting traded and we've got no one on the roster that is more than a short term replacement.
    I think he is so mentally weak that he can't hit that shot this series. He's in the NBA for Christs sake. If he can't contribute, he needs to pull himself out because Pop damn sure isn't going to do it.

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