All of those guys outside of Cojo were solid role players and you know that so quit deflecting and name me some good backup's AJ had to come in and clean his mess when he ed up?Yeah, bc Speedy or a 37 yr old Kerr were amazing back-ups. So was a 22 yr old CoJo . Barry and Paddy were/are more SG than PG.
Bones was awesome. Still one of my favorite Spurs role players.Yeah, bc Speedy or a 37 yr old Kerr were amazing back-ups. So was a 22 yr old CoJo . Barry and Paddy were/are more SG than PG.
he was a border line all star. Was top 10 in assists. averaged mid double digit points.Hey, I'll always have love for AJ. He hit the GW shot to give the Spurs their first NBA Championship ever.
Nobody is arguing that AJ was more talented. Just that he didn't crumble in crunchtime so much that the back-ups had to bail him out. I mean that's the kind of stupid logic that is being used when comparing Enrique to CP3 (who is clearly better)...so why not use it when comparing him to the Little General?
This person is literally too stupid to respond to.
Just absolutely ing stupid.
Parker hate thread completely shut down, again.
They've painted themselves in quite a corner. It's funny to listen to them try and come up with valid arguments now because they've been making so many of these threads.Parker hate thread completely shut down, again.
Avery was a good ball handler and leader. He made an effort on defense, but let's be honest, with D Robinson and TD, point guards weren't getting to the rim even if he guarded like Jimmer. His jumpshot is what would have had him stuck on this year's Spur bench.
If you wanna prop AJ, a better case can be made when he was coaching against Pop. He came up with the scheme to shut TP down and actually make Devin Harris look better than him.
Heck, Harris swindled a max-deal in NJ out of that series, IIRC...
His J was bad, some just left him wide open. In 1999 though he seemed to hit that mid range all playoffs when they left him open, finally hit those and helped the team out by making them pay. I don't know what got into him that year in those playoffs but those mid range J's actually started to fall at a good rate if you go back and watch.
From the responses here you'd think Parker deserves the max for his clutch performances this year.
If these guys ran the FO the team would be stuck in lottery mode for the next twenty years.
I know. He was terrible every year but '99. I don't know that God was a Spur fan because of the cruelty of 2004, 2006, and 2013, but maybe he was an Avery fan bc no question Avery was a fan of God. That year he was Tebowesque.
Speaking of that man you are right, only .4 or 2013 game 6 would happen against the SPURS, nobody else. The Spurs are blessed to win those les but man how the do you lose in that fashion? Makes you think what is next? Man those losses are unheard of but they happen to the Spurs.
We are blessed as fans and I am not ing but damn those were crazy.
Yes, Spur fan has felt the love and cruelty of the basketball gods. I will say, though, winning in 2014 was one of the greatest sports/redemption stories of all time. I think it made a lot of people that hated the Spurs become Spur fans.
Teams used to completely back off of Avery and pack the paint, daring him to shoot from greater than 10 feet. One can only speculate how much more room DRob would have had to operate if the Spurs had a point guard that could have commanded a little more attention from the defense.
Here are some interesting stats of some Spurs "point guards" (I am including Manu but you can ignore if you want)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s_advanced::22
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What's next, people yearning for VDN or Mario Elie over Danny?
Here is this year's playoffs only: ( we should have started Cory for defense and brought Patty off the bench...)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...advanced::none
Last edited by rudwick; 05-16-2015 at 01:40 PM.
Parkers a bball player, no doubt about it but there's also no doubt that he has sucked for a few seasons now. People need to wake the up!
As many have mentioned here , Avery couldn't hit the wide open mid range jumper, and that was a big reason the mid-90's Spurs never made it to the finals.
I've been watching the Spurs since the 80's and AJ is one of the most overrated Spurs. His number should not be retired. The Spurs were actively trying to trade him, or just cut him, for most of his career. He did play pretty well in 1999 but that was the exception. You can't even compare him to a perennial Allstar like Parker. Avery never made the Allstar team, or finished top 10 MVP like Parker did multiple times.
Remember the 1995 Spurs had A LOT of talent. They lost because of Del Negro and Avery. I always say if you replace 1995 AJ and Del Negro with Parker and ginobili, the
Spurs win the championship multiple times.
All excellent points.
Well said.
Next they will say negele knight was better.
Arguing what Parker should have done in '03 to close out that series is mindful of 2013's (or even this year's) Kawhi experience. In 2001 Tony was 20-21 years old, less than two full year's experience in the country, much less the league, and was not a clutch performer.
Kawhi, in 2013, was only two years into the league, and was not a clutch performer. Folks like FkLA excuse Kawhi for inexperience but repeatedly crucify Parker for a similar performance at the same age.
But I watched virtually every game that Avery played and he was just horrid. And Avery's "preachiness" so incensed TD that he wouldn't have stayed here if Avery was a coach, or even an intern. Robinson could handle Avery because they were both so religious. Duncan and Pop - not so much. THAT was real team dissension.
Avery should never have had his number retired here.
Just reminds me of how great Dave was and how different his legacy would have been had he had a supporting cast to help bear the burden.
Greatful Tim came along when he did. But, damn... Dave had some of the tiest supporting casts and coaches of any superstar I can remember.
The dark years...Bones was awesome. Still one of my favorite Spurs role players.
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