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    Comparing a future hall of famer to Jimmy ing Butler.

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    This guy's playing in the East against ty teams most of times and is lucky that after the All Star he's selling contact and getting calls, he's nothing w/o the FTs...
    Dude stop quoting idiots.

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    This guy's playing in the East against ty teams most of times and is lucky that after the All Star he's selling contact and getting calls, he's nothing w/o the FTs...
    Umm, the East isn't ty anymore bruh. And no, Jimmy IS a legit superstar. You obviously have not seen this tough street raised play. Nice try.

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    Comparing a future hall of famer to Jimmy ing Butler.

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    Kawhi's offensive skillset isn't on par w/ Jimmy Butler/Paul George, he won't be a superstar until he improves his play-making skills.
    PG is too inefficient. KD isn't really a playmaker. LeBron is really the only SF that can be both a scorer and playmaker but he's a once in a generation player.

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    Mark of a true Superstar HOFER. He takes responsibility and wants the ball in his hands even when things aren't going right. Not afraid of missing or failing. True leader.
    You could drown us all in a sea of with all the spin you put on this post.

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    Butler is one of the best players in the league right now. Arguably better than or equal to Kawhi and just a small cut below Lebron. Curry is still another level above all those guys but let's be real. Butler is a Superstar and will go down as one of the Bulls all time greats over Rose, obviously.

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    To be a top 5 player he has to be able to run the offense & make plays for his teammates.
    Griffin is a playmaker? Shaq was a playmaker? Oh, they're bigs. So, bigmen can't be top 5 players or your requirements to be a top 5 player don't apply to everyone...

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    Butler is one of the best players in the league right now. Arguably better than or equal to Kawhi and just a small cut below Lebron. Curry is still another level above all those guys but let's be real. Butler is a Superstar and will go down as one of the Bulls all time greats over Rose, obviously.
    As if I needed any more reassurence about my Jimmy Butler assesment on the NBA forum.

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    Butler is one of the best players in the league right now. Arguably better than or equal to Kawhi and just a small cut below Lebron. Curry is still another level above all those guys but let's be real. Butler is a Superstar and will go down as one of the Bulls all time greats over Rose, obviously.
    Dont quote me ever.

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    Dont quote me ever.
    Ok

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    Griffin is a playmaker? Shaq was a playmaker? Oh, they're bigs. So, bigmen can't be top 5 players or your requirements to be a top 5 player don't apply to everyone...
    Griffin is a terrific passer though, and a very versatile big. Many star big men are actually terrific passers.

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    "Parker needs 18 FGA, LMA/Kawhi 10"

    "Butler is the closest thing to Michael"

    Stop smoking that ...

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    Griffin is a terrific passer though, and a very versatile big. Many star big men are actually terrific passers.
    Agree. Blake is the best PF in the league right now. Too bad the Clippers ran up against the Warriors and that derailed them. They will be fine though going forward. I remember when it wasn't even a comparison - LMA over Blake no question. Now it's clearly Blake over LMA.

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    "Parker needs 18 FGA, LMA/Kawhi 10"

    "Butler is the closest thing to Michael"

    Stop smoking that ...
    You can't handle the truth is all.

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    Griffin is a terrific passer though, and a very versatile big. Many star big men are actually terrific passers.
    Of course many star big men were/are terrific passers, Tim, Pau Gasol...but I wouldn't say Griffin or Shaq are on that list.

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    Of course many star big men were/are terrific passers, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan but I wouldn't say Griffin or Shaq are on that list.
    I think Shaq was an underrated passer bc he was so dominant, but that was an era that I didn't witness personally. Whether you think so or not, Griffin is actually a very good passer, so are guys that are a tier below, like Kevin Love.

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    True. Even now, the only guys who can really create their own shot consistently remain Tony and Manu. Mills and Kawhi to a lesser extent.
    Kawhi can get better shots for himself than Parker.

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    Dude stop quoting idiots.
    I know, my bad. But Op's so funny/stupid/crazy to not quote him

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    Kawhi can get better shots for himself than Parker.
    No. Parker creates more of his own shots whereas Kawhi gets more off assists or in stagnant dump in iso situations. Parker's FG% is also higher than Kawhi's this year so your argument is fundamentally flawed.

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    Of course many star big men were/are terrific passers, Tim, Pau Gasol...but I wouldn't say Griffin or Shaq are on that list.
    I wish that was the case for both of them since they have had great success against the Spurs. Griffin was averaging 7.4 assists game against the Spurs last year in the playoffs. I don't know how you can't say he's not a great passer for his position. He went through a stretch last year when CP3 was injured where he was leading the clippers in assists. Shaq was always a great passer going back to when he played for the magic he had ability to find guys like D.Scott,Anderson, for 3's and set up other guys for lay ups and dunks.

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    Whether you think so or not, Griffin is actually a very good passer, so are guys that are a tier below, like Kevin Love.
    Agree, a good passer doesn't mean terrific passer or a superstar playmaker. That was Kawhistorm's requisite of a top 5 player.

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    I wish that was the case for both of them since they have had great success against the Spurs. Griffin was averaging 7.4 assists game against the Spurs last year in the playoffs. I don't know how you can't say he's not a great passer for his position.
    Yup, and that was crazy. But he's a good passer not that great.

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    No. Parker creates more of his own shots whereas Kawhi gets more off assists or in stagnant dump in iso situations. Parker's FG% is also higher than Kawhi's this year so your argument is fundamentally flawed.
    Kawhi take more 3's than Tony of course his fg% is lower. Before tonight though Kawhi still had the higher 2ptfg%(not sure if it changed).

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