NBA: Has Lebron won his last MVP?

[Spurtacular]

Yes difference maker, ergo Most Valuable Player. If it was just a team accolade Shaq should have three or four. I'm thinking you don't understand the concept.

Curry was the best player on the best team. The false notion and narrative that Lebron took Cleveland so extra far and should be rewarded with an MVP for it is nonsense. If that BS was true, I as a Larry Bird fan would be arguing that rookie Bird deserved the MVP for improving his team 31 games. No though. Kareem was the best player on the best team. You don't with that, pure and simple.

[Spurtacular]

KG teamed up with Ray and Paul. He diluted his contribution to the cause by doing so. Lebron did the same thing in Miami, or so we thought, but he still pulled a couple MVPs from those seasons when everyone here was saying he would be the Robin to Wade's Batman, and that Lebron's MVP run was over.

If it who's most responsible for the biggest change in fortune (positive) for a franchise then it would be Lebron every year. KD got his because RW went down and he was able to absorb Russell's spotlight. Nash did the same thing in Phoenix a couple years when he'd go out for an injury and the team would start losing. He'd return and they'd pick right back up where they left off. He appeared to be the difference maker.

If Curry goes down and the team doesn't falter, which is what Curry would want, then that would be detrimental to Curry's MVP run. Would the Warriors be more ed without Curry than the Cavs would be without Lebron?

It really shouldn't be about who makes "the biggest change". I know sometimes, the media sells that; but it's border-line lame when you think about it. But KG played like a boss at both ends on a team that dominated. You saw how weak the C's were the following season after he got hurt. It was the difference between a championship and barely making it out of the first round.

[spursistan]

Probably ...i thought this year would have been Lebron's last, but Curry ran away with it so early and so far.. James has no chance now that Irving is back because his usage will likely be reduced and Cavs won't come close to Dubs record..

[DMC]

Curry was the best player on the best team. The false notion and narrative that Lebron took Cleveland so extra far and should be rewarded with an MVP for it is nonsense. If that BS was true, I as a Larry Bird fan would be arguing that rookie Bird deserved the MVP for improving his team 31 games. No though. Kareem was the best player on the best team. You don't with that, pure and simple.

You just proved my point (and disproved yours). The Celtics had a better RS record than LA that year yet Kareem won the MVP. How do you judge "best team" other than their RS record?

[DMC]

It really shouldn't be about who makes "the biggest change". I know sometimes, the media sells that; but it's border-line lame when you think about it. But KG played like a boss at both ends on a team that dominated. You saw how weak the C's were the following season after he got hurt. It was the difference between a championship and barely making it out of the first round.

And Lebron's absence was like missing the playoffs 4 consecutive years in Cleveland and making the Finals the same year he returns. Meanwhile in Miami, it was like making the Finals 4 years in a row and missing the playoffs the year he left.

[Spurtacular]

You just proved my point (and disproved yours). The Celtics had a better RS record than LA that year yet Kareem won the MVP. How do you judge "best team" other than their RS record?

Well, maybe LA wasn't exactly the best team. And maybe Magic was setting stuff up on a platter for Kareem. But Kareem had some statistical edges on Bird. There's a case for Bird. But my point is that I can't complain that Bird was robbed. If I can, let me know.

[Spurtacular]

And Lebron's absence was like missing the playoffs 4 consecutive years in Cleveland and making the Finals the same year he returns. Meanwhile in Miami, it was like making the Finals 4 years in a row and missing the playoffs the year he left.

When Lebron was in Cleveland, management had incentive to pay quality role players. When he left, why would they do that instead of rebuilding? Lebron coming back made them a contender quicker than had they stuck with Wiggins; but I don't know why I need to care about that much when looking for an MVP? I could care less whether Cleveland is a contender or not. I'm looking at who's doing what on the floor.

[DMC]

Well, maybe LA wasn't exactly the best team. And maybe Magic was setting stuff up on a platter for Kareem. But Kareem had some statistical edges on Bird. There's a case for Bird. But my point is that I can't complain that Bird was robbed. If I can, let me know.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Best team or best individual stats on a lesser team?

[DMC]

When Lebron was in Cleveland, management had incentive to pay quality role players. When he left, why would they do that instead of rebuilding? Lebron coming back made them a contender quicker than had they stuck with Wiggins; but I don't know why I need to care about that much when looking for an MVP? I could care less whether Cleveland is a contender or not. I'm looking at who's doing what on the floor.

What quality role players are you referring to exactly? Mo Williams? Anderson V? Big Z? Booby? Antawn Jamison? Who? If they were willing to bring in quality role guys Lebron would have stayed.

So now you don't care about the team even contending yet earlier in this thread it was about the best player on the best team. Now you're looking at who's doing what on the floor. What do you think Lebron was doing on the floor that made the difference for them?

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I think "robbed" is an inappropriate description of what happened. Curry deserved the MVP so Lebron was not robbed. The Warriors had a historically great regular season and Curry was the best player on that team. They then proved the regular season was not a fluke by winning the championship and going on a 24-0 start with Curry leading the team. Curry and the Warriors are legit no matter how much Spurs fans want to stick their heads in the sand.

I think voters are still tired of voting for Lebron so it might be a while until his next MVP. He'll have to do something new to impress the voters. If Lebron wins a championship for Cleveland, he'll definitely win the MVP the next year.

[Spurtacular]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Best team or best individual stats on a lesser team?

I just gave you a default reality; best player on the best team is typically deserving. That doesn't mean I subscribe to one set formula on something that is a subjective award. I don't much believe in that well look at where the guy's team would be without him crap though. The media's been pulling that nonsense going back to Jordan getting 8 seeds.

[DMC]

I just gave you a default reality; best player on the best team is typically deserving. That doesn't mean I subscribe to one set formula on something that is a subjective award. I don't much believe in that well look at where the guy's team would be without him crap though. The media's been pulling that nonsense going back to Jordan getting 8 seeds.

Ok so you don't have a set formula. Maybe you should avoid making statements like " Kareem was the best player on the best team. You don't with that, pure and simple." and "Curry was the best player on the best team last year. He earned the MVP." and "Curry was the best player on the best team. "

You:

Bird lost to Kareem because Kareem was the best player on the best team: You don't with that

Me:

Celtics had a better record that year

You:

Well I don't subscribe to one formula


You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

How do you define value of something if not a differential in benefit between having and not having it? Or are you just going to excuse yourself from everything you've said so far?

The media pulls that because that's how value is defined by rational people. If you just think the team with the best record must have an MVP associated with it, then you're the one who needs to re-examine how you define terms. It's not how the voters do. There are plenty examples of league MVPs of teams with lower than the best winning record.