Spurs NBA Championships effect NFL Commish

[Marcus Bryant]

It doesn't matter if people remain Cowboys fans or become Saints fans or both. The problem is that a franchise in SA doesn't really expand the total NFL pie much.

[samikeyp]

The problem is that a franchise in SA doesn't really expand the total NFL pie much.

Sad but true.

[Rescueone]

No, as usual you skew the truth for your own benefit. I was referring to this statment:



You make reference to the Cowboys whom you observed in THIS forum and you made the assumption that they speak for ALL Cowboys fans everywhere.

This statement:

was referring to those Cowboys fans IN THIS FORUM to whom you were referring to.

But at least you admit to being biased. When you can approach the situation without bias, let us know.

I didn't say all cowboy fans in this forum! I stated "Fans in this forum"
Is every cowboy fan world wide located in this one forum? I don't think so!

When you can see that there's always TWO sides to every story, let me know!

[samikeyp]

Yes you did...here it is again...

Just my opinion on Cowboy fans from what I observed in this forum.

Now I know you are lying because you are trying to turn my own words against me.

Is every cowboy fan world wide located in this one forum? I don't think so!

I never once said that they were, in fact I said that it was NOT the case. Nice try.

When you can see that there's always TWO sides to every story, let me know!

I did and I recognized that....you chose to ignore that I did.

[Rescueone]

Yes you did...here it is again...



Now I know you are lying because you are trying to turn my own words against me.


I never once said that they were, in fact I said that it was NOT the case. Nice try.


I did and I recognized that....you chose to ignore that I did.

O.K. how's this.... There are people out there in this forum who like the Cowboys, and there are people out there in this forum who can't stand the cowboys. True or not? So therefore..... no one has a grip either way....fair argument. That's where my thoughts were. I don't understand why you can't see it! It's Apples vs Oranges, which every you say you like, I can argue that the other is better. I won't be right, and I won't be wrong. It's an anrgument on a belief, and I'm not alone saying that there are fans in this forum who can't stand the "Boys", see King Manu's words. So Dallas doesn't have a grip on others and myself. Sorry if the truth hurts!!

[samikeyp]

O.K. how's this.... There are people out there in this forum who like the Cowboys, and there are people out there in this forum who can't stand the cowboys. True or not? So therefore..... no one has a grip either way....fair argument. That's where my thoughts were. I don't understand why you can't see it! It's Apples vs Oranges, which every you say you like, I can argue that the other is better. I won't be right, and I won't be wrong. It's an anrgument on a belief, and I'm not alone saying that there are fans in this forum who can't stand the "Boys", see King Manu's words. So Dallas doesn't have a grip on others and myself. Sorry if the truth hurts!!

see, more lies. not once did I say anything mentioned in your post. Never once did I say one team has a grip over any other team or anything to that nature. All I said was that not all the Cowboys fans here (in the forum or San Antonio) were complaining that the Saints were here or on TV. Never once did I say everyone here (in the forum or SA) were Cowboys fans. Never once did I say the Cowboys have a "grip" on all football fans in SA. I got what you were saying...I just didn't agree. Was I supposed to? You were basing your opinion of Cowboy fans as a whole by the actions of a few....a few I might add that I also did not agree with (noticed you were too busy being condescending to notice that)

Sorry if the truth hurts? What is this? 8th grade?

That truth that you claim is hurting me, was the same one you were adhering to. San Antonio first. Something I had also indicated, something that you actually propped me for and something you chose to forget I said for the sole purpose of boosting your argument.

[samikeyp]

can you say no clue.

How do you figure? Just because I don't agree with someone I don't have a clue?

[Rescueone]

and just because one says they don't have a grip doesn't make it so either. You are accusing Cowboys fans of bias, yet you are using your own Anti-Cowboy bias as the sole basis of your argument.

I am a Cowboys fan first and foremost. The only thing for me that would change that is a hometown team. For me, hometown loyalty comes first. I wouldn't abandon rooting for the Cowboys but if they played the San Antonio Whatevers....I would root for SA.




Nice to know you have a grip on the exact status of fandom here in SA and that you feel all Cowboys fans think alike.

Here you go, just in case you forgot what you said! That's my argument!
and yes I did give you props for supporting a team in San Antonio. I just can't see why you don't see the argument. Maybe it is 8th grade! and there is no use!

[samikeyp]

I do see the argument (more condensencion by you...nice) I just don't agree with you. Thank you for posting my post though and proving my point.

[Rescueone]

I do see the argument (more condensencion by you...nice) I just don't agree with you. Thank you for posting my post though and proving my point.

Alright, so were good? Finally we agree to disagree! I see you're point and you see mine. So it's grip vs no grip..No one has it... No condensenting at ude intended, until you mentioned 8th grade.....you had me worried there for a minute. Next debate!!!!

[samikeyp]

We agree on this much...no one can be sure what, if any, grip any team has here in SA. There are a lot of Cowboys fans here but with all the people who are here through the Military and a lot who have retired here...many teams are represented. You can go to Fatso's sports bar and see several teams with their own little sections. I still do not believe that an entire fan base has one single mindset. Been fighting that battle as a Spurs fan for years and will probably still continue. although with the appearance of less Laker fans...it might not be so bad.

[Rescueone]

We agree on this much...no one can be sure what, if any, grip any team has here in SA. There are a lot of Cowboys fans here but with all the people who are here through the Military and a lot who have retired here...many teams are represented. You can go to Fatso's sports bar and see several teams with their own little sections. I still do not believe that an entire fan base has one single mindset. Been fighting that battle as a Spurs fan for years and will probably still continue.

True! I was one of those military fans at Fatso routing on the Bills. Then all the smoke got to me and I decided to go ahead and get the NFL ticket. I know cowboy fans are well represented here in San Antonio. I will cheer on any team San Antonio finally gets. I just hope it's either Indy or an expansion team.

[samikeyp]

Yeah, Fatso's IMO is not the best place to watch a game. They have plenty of TV's but its always crowded, they never have enough waitstaff and the food is overpriced and not that good. Although I did almost get into a fight there with a Laker fan...he backed off when he realized he was surrounded!

[Rescueone]

Yeah, Fatso's IMO is not the best place to watch a game. They have plenty of TV's but its always crowded, they never have enough waitstaff and the food is overpriced and not that good. Although I did almost get into a fight there with a Laker fan...he backed off when he realized he was surrounded!

Spurs fans about to whip some LA ass. That's so true!

[2centsworth]

SA can not support an NFL team. There are way too many Dallas fans in SA and they would never spend thousands of dollars to support a SA team. There is not enough money in SA to support the NFL team there. You need corporate luxury boxes filled to capacity to support an NFL team for the most part.

If Jacksonville can do it SA and the surrounding areas will easily do it. Also, I've been a die hard Cowboy fan since I can remember but would dump them in a NY minute over our own team.

[ShoogarBear]

It's not a question of whether a franchise could exist in SA and be supported by the city as much as it is a realization that a franchise in the 2nd largest media market in the US is a priority for the NFL as the economic impact is significantly greater than trying to get more Texans to watch more football.

It isn't quite that simple, in that there is a very interesting argument on the potential economic advantages of NOT having an expansion team in LA.

It goes like this: right now the NFL is free to broadcast any game they want in LA, thus guaranteeing the largest possible TV ratings from the #2 market (and TV is where the big money is). The NFL has such a pull that they will get the ratings even without a team in LA.

If you put an expansion team there, they will probably suck for the first 4-5 years. The NFL will, however, be required to broadcast their games to the LA market. For the first year or so, this would probably provide the same or better ratings than no team. If the team continues to suck, however, in the long run this could be detrimental to the NFL ulative ratings.

It's not to say that the NFL WON'T put a team back in LA. It just may explain why there isn't such a rush to do it.

[blaze89]

If Jacksonville can do it SA and the surrounding areas will easily do it. Also, I've been a die hard Cowboy fan since I can remember but would dump them in a NY minute over our own team.

Jacksonville has to seal off sections of the Gator Bowl (hate corporate names on stadiums) to avoid blackouts.

[samikeyp]

Jacksonville has to seal off sections of the Gator Bowl (hate corporate names on stadiums) to avoid blackouts.

They had to do that in LA for the Raiders too.

[Jimcs50]

I can not see 65,000 SA fans spending 200 dollars a week for 8 weeks.


There just is not enough people earning that much money who would want to sit through a loser team week after week.

[cherylsteele]

Jacksonville has to seal off sections of the Gator Bowl (hate corporate names on stadiums) to avoid blackouts.

You want a franchise to have to seal off seats....don't you want people in them? If they can't at least sell enpugh tickets consistanly to avoid blackouts then maybe they should not have a team.

I have been saying all along that if they believe Jacksonville is a good NFL market then San Antonio certainly is....even more so if in clude Corpus, Austin, Laredo, and the Del Rio area. No one will know for sure unless you give our area a chance. In fact a third Texas team could be good for the league by creating a great rivalry between the teams.

There are those saying that local cowboy fans won't support a local team. They have nothing to back that up. I believe if we were to acquire a team many of those fans WOULD support them.

Sure LA is a bigger market....big deal IMHO...they had TWOchanecs (Rams, Raiders) to keep and support a team, Both of them were decent teams but they couldn't/wouldn't support them sufficiently. What makes you think they would support a franchise like the Saints that have little positive on-field success? I say it is time to give somone else a chance.

[Rescueone]

I can not see 65,000 SA fans spending 200 dollars a week for 8 weeks.

There just is not enough people earning that much money who would want to sit through a loser team week after week.

Are these figures for a family of 5? How do you get 200 dollars a week? Are you including Spurs games in that total?

[cherylsteele]

Are these figures for a family of 5? How do you get 200 dollars a week? Are you including Spurs games in that total?

Hmmm....tickets are $30 - $125....not sure were the $200 comes from...even if you included parking and refreshments.

[Jimcs50]

Hmmm....tickets are $30 - $125....not sure were the $200 comes from...even if you included parking and refreshments.

I am talking average ticket price of $65.

My bro inlaw has season ticked for the Texans and he told me that it cost him an average of $1700 a year for him and his son and that he is tired of spending that amt of money alraedy because his team is still sucking.

He includes parking and concessions.

Wealthy people would spend 2-4 K a year on a losing franchise, but people that live from paycheck to paycheck(98% of SA people) would grow tired of spending that money on a team that averages 5 wins a year.....that is a fact.

[Marcus Bryant]

It isn't quite that simple, in that there is a very interesting argument on the potential economic advantages of NOT having an expansion team in LA.

It goes like this: right now the NFL is free to broadcast any game they want in LA, thus guaranteeing the largest possible TV ratings from the #2 market (and TV is where the big money is). The NFL has such a pull that they will get the ratings even without a team in LA.

If you put an expansion team there, they will probably suck for the first 4-5 years. The NFL will, however, be required to broadcast their games to the LA market. For the first year or so, this would probably provide the same or better ratings than no team. If the team continues to suck, however, in the long run this could be detrimental to the NFL ulative ratings.

It's not to say that the NFL WON'T put a team back in LA. It just may explain why there isn't such a rush to do it.

If they have 1 team in LA, then if the market is that important the schedule makers can adjust for that. Sure, they lose the option to switch to an unexpectedly prime matchup, but I think the addition of a franchise in that market would more than make up for the loss of that 'option'.

[cherylsteele]

I am talking average ticket price of $65.

My bro inlaw has season ticked for the Texans and he told me that it cost him an average of $1700 a year for him and his son and that he is tired of spending that amt of money alraedy because his team is still sucking.

He includes parking and concessions.

Wealthy people would spend 2-4 K a year on a losing franchise, but people that live from paycheck to paycheck(98% of SA people) would grow tired of spending that money on a team that averages 5 wins a year.....that is a fact.

$65 avg. price...okay

65 ticket
10 parking
30 concessions
20 souveniers like a program

125 total

where is the $ 200? There is about a $75 dollar difference if you use your average ticket price