Venus isn't
I just spit that out there once. I said more about the CO2 levels. And those easily support climate change theories
I mentinoed holes in the ozone, and human impact in general, to get people to realize that we have totally impacted every square inch of land on this entire planet....why is it so far fetched for us to alter the atmosphere, or at least some levels of it?
I don't want to believe it's true because the people who believe are damn annoying about it. If it's too hot, they point to global warming. If it's too cold, they point to global warming. Same ish for too much or too little rain. Whatever happens with the weather, they are quick to point to global warming.
Just STFU and go pray for an ice age so humans can globally warm the earth and cause it to melt again.
touchy touchy
Well, Venus has a different chemical compisition than the earth and happens to be a whole of a lot closer to the sun.
Is the climate changing? You bet. Does all the pavement and non-permeable cover have anything to do with it? You bet.
But never underestimate the ability of Mother Nature to correct herself. To think that humans are capable of completely altering the patterns and mechanisms of nature is pretty naive.
If you compare distances from the sun and planet temperatures, the distance does not explain the higher temperature of venus alone, something else is contributing to its high temp's.
Here's the deal CBF...
I think Climate Change is undergoing. The tempature is rising, the oceans show far more CO2 than they should have (in fact they are turning very acidic which is probably a larger problem than a global mean tempature rise.), and there are signs virtually everywhere you look.
Very few dispute that the earth is warming up and will continue to do so.
What is VERY disputed, is the cause and just how much impact humans are having. We don't have enough information to know for sure one way or another. We just don't.
What I can't stand, is that with every hot day, or every intense hurricane, or every out of place weather event people want to point to global warming. It's the greatest non sequitor of all! There is nothing to tie the heat we've had recently with climate change, there is nothing to tie the recent hurricanes to climate change, and there is nothing to tie a lot of to global warming.
But no one wants to present the real facts, because they aren't appealing. It isn't even known if the effects of global warming have the chance to produce a better earth for humans! Thats right, the earth warming up may not be all bad! The you say!
Can't we just look at prior year's temperatures in the Farmer's Almanac and compare them to current temperatures?
Seems pretty simple to me.
Obviously Venus' atmosphere plays a huge role in that. But how does that help you prove Climate Change?
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I never said completely alter. And to think that humans should be confined to the same standards set by other species is even more naive. It's quite ridiculous actually
You realize the ecological footprint of the typical american is about 13 acres? Can you imagine, an exploding human population (like now) with billions of people approaching the american way of life (like now) do you seriously think there is enough resources to support a species that does this?
Humans change the rules, and there is evidence for humans altering mechanisms of nature, theres increased levels of elements in soils that werent there even 10 years ago, this effects all kinds of ecological processes, sure maybe it doesnt flip them upside down, but it does alter them
If you want me to prove climate change we both know i cant. But if that's all youre looking for, then we might as well never say Duncan is the greatest player in the world, because that can't be proven either.
The stuff i've been mentioning supports it, just like the CO2 levels, the correlation to temperature, etc. What facts have you told me that don't support Climate Change?
I think Manny is telling you there is no PROOF that any of those findings can directly be related to human civilization.
My beef isn't with Climate Change, it is with the way it is presented. I'll look some things up so I can show you what I mean.
I never used today as proof for climate change, i realize how stupid it is to use days to talk about climate change. All today did was stimulate me to talk about it, cuz i know in my memory it has not been this hot at this time of year last year or the year before. Thats all.
pfff, well i guess it could improve the earth for the considerable population of human beings that dont live anywhere near any oceans or close to rivers that are prone to flooding.It isn't even known if the effects of global warming have the chance to produce a better earth for humans! Thats right, the earth warming up may not be all bad! The you say!
Surely you don't think that global warming (regardless of cause) will keep the polar ice caps frozen, do you?
Dude I think I've been telling you that there has been proof we've increased CO2 levels considerably. That right there, i guess is PROOF. Beyond this is correlation. Noone in the entire history of the world will ever truely 'prove' anything, thats why it doesn't make sense to keep ignoring alot of correlations. Because most of what we've ever 'proved' about anything is based on correlation.
What if global warming changes areas of this earth that do not provide agricultre very well such as the Sahara in places much more like the Great Plains? What if Siberia warms and that land is able to be used in a much better fashion?
There are a lot of what ifs.
No doubt, and I can refrain from saying 'bull ' outright when i hear something like that. But if we're on this track of brainstorming, then it will undoubtedly make alot of areas of human civilization tier, like those near the ocean
I think we should declare war on the sun.
CBF, do some research on the effect of the earth's wobbling on its axis and the resultant climate change on North Africa. 5000 years ago, the sahara desert once received somewhat regular rainfall, and the middle east was more hospitible to developing civilization.
I think that that cycle completes every 12,000 years or so.
Your correlations don't proove that. There isn't even proof that CO2 is a major reason behind global warming, or that mankind is the sole reason for recent increases. You can take a look back at whole history of the earth's warming and cooling. Long before humans were here the earth cooled and warmed to and from both much colder and much hotter temperatures than what mankind has ever experienced. We may or may not be the sole cause for any recent changes, or we may be just riding changes that naturally occur and have no real say in.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advicating pollution or burning down rainforests or anything. But I've not been convinced that we are going to all fry in the next 50 years.
I would like to be the first to call for the pull out of heat from San Antonio.
It won't be the sun that will be the cause of human life being "fried" it will be humans who destroy humanity.
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