Kawhi's showing that he's the only king slayer

[Kawhitstorm]

Didn't outscore Tony Parker and let Lebron go off

Kawhi led the team in BOTH points/rebounds along w/ 3 point shooting for the last three games when the series was a best out of 5. (Diaw had more assists than Porker:)

Better yet, he stepped it up against the "best player" in the league: Kawhi shot 65 percent when guarded by LeBron in the series.

Lebron only attempted one shot against Kawhi in the first quarter Gm 5 w/ his season on the line b/c he wasn’t always able to get his shot off or even get the ball:

Only 19 percent of LeBron's touches against Kawh resulted in field goal attempt. Against all other defenders, that rate jumped to 33 percent.


LeBron was held without a touch on 33 percent of the Heat's possessions when he was guarded by Kawhi. Against all other defenders, he was held without a touch 23 percent of the time.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi's not showing anything at the moment. I haven't seen him since the Spurs were bounced in the second round. Hasn't been past the second round in 2 years.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony...a-city-thunder

Porker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore

[Kawhitstorm]

Iguodala did a pretty damn great job on LeBron in Games 1-4 (and last year as well). LeBron's jumper happened to come back though, and when he's hitting his jumpers, he's basically impossible to guard. Spurs guarded LeBron basically the same way all throughout the 2013 Finals, but in Games 6/7 he exploded because he started knocking down his jumpers.

LeBron wasn't hitting jumpers in Gm 6, he drove to the rack in the 4th quarter after Spo put BOTH Miller/Ray Allen in the game. The lane got congisted after Wade checked in for Miller which was when he committed the two turnovers at the end of the 4th quarter. (Pop should have played Diaw & posted up Miller instead of playing a struggling Danny when Wade was out of the game)

3:48.0			84-87		D. Wade enters the game for M. Miller
3:48.0	D. Green enters the game for B. Diaw		84-87
3:33.0	T. Parker misses 2-pt shot from 16 ft (block by D. Wade)		84-87
3:32.0			84-87		Defensive rebound by L. James
3:18.0	Offensive charge foul by L. James (drawn by T. Parker)		84-87
3:18.0			84-87		Turnover by L. James (offensive foul)
3:02.0	T. Duncan misses 2-pt shot from 5 ft		84-87
3:01.0			84-87		Defensive rebound by D. Wade
2:57.0			84-87		Miami full timeout
2:40.0			84-87		D. Wade misses 2-pt shot from 14 ft
2:39.0	Defensive rebound by M. Ginobili		84-87
2:31.0	M. Ginobili makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft	+2	86-87
2:09.0			86-87		Shooting foul by D. Green (drawn by D. Wade)
2:09.0			86-88	+1	D. Wade makes free throw 1 of 2
2:09.0			86-89	+1	D. Wade makes free throw 2 of 2
1:53.0	M. Ginobili misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft		86-89
1:51.0	Offensive rebound by D. Green		86-89
1:47.0	San Antonio 20 second timeout		86-89
1:27.0	T. Parker makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft	+3	89-89
1:07.0			89-89		Turnover by M. Chalmers (bad pass; steal by T. Parker)
0:58.0	T. Parker makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft	+2	91-89
0:58.0			91-89		Miami full timeout
0:39.9			91-89		Turnover by L. James (lost ball; steal by K. Leonard)
0:37.2	Shooting foul by R. Allen (drawn by M. Ginobili)		91-89
0:37.2	M. Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2	+1	92-89
0:37.2	M. Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2	+1	93-89
0:28.2			93-89		Turnover by L. James (bad pass; steal by M. Ginobili)

[tmtcsc]

French got.

Parker needs to go. If Tim & Manu retire, the Spurs can make it an easier sell to blind Spurs fans who talk about family and loyalty. Its about winning. Its always been about winning.

I think KL got tired last year because he was asked to do too much. Score, Defend, Rebound, take the ball up the court, etc. He needs help and needs someone to get him the ball at the right times.

[Hoops Czar]

Draymond also making idiots out of everybody that thought he was better than Kawhi. Scared to shoot, can't dribble by bigs, can't score on RJ or Waiters, etc.

Klay's also making idiots out of everybody that thought Green was better than him. Unclutch , stat padder , playoff choker , terrible defender etc.

[SpursforSix]

Draymond also making idiots out of everybody that thought he was better than Kawhi. Scared to shoot, can't dribble by bigs, can't score on RJ or Waiters, etc.

plus the weird testicle fetish

[Hoops Czar]

Parker needs to go. If Tim & Manu retire, the Spurs can make it an easier sell to blind Spurs fans who talk about family and loyalty. Its about winning. Its always been about winning.

I think KL got tired last year because he was asked to do too much. Score, Defend, Rebound, take the ball up the court, etc. He needs help and needs someone to get him the ball at the right times.

Jokes on you. It's like you just started watching the Spurs yesterday. The Spurs ALWAYS turn a blind eye when it comes to family and loyalty (See: Matt Bonner). It's always been about family and loyalty. Unless Parker specifically asks or accepts a trade, he's not going anywhere. I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand.

[tmtcsc]

Jokes on you. It's like you just started watching the Spurs yesterday. The Spurs ALWAYS turn a blind eye when it comes to family and loyalty (See: Matt Bonner). It's always been about family and loyalty. Unless Parker specifically asks or accepts a trade, he's not going anywhere. I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand.

I've been watching a long, long time. I saw George Gervin and Sean Elliott get traded, Avery Johnson allowed to walk, Malik sent packing, Finley granted permission to leave, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry and Brent Barry not brought back, etc.. Matt Bonner has been bench fodder for years and kept around as a practice player. His name shouldn't even be part of the equation. Parker was allegedly almost sent packing in exchange for a top 10 draft pick in 2011. As I've stated before, the team rewarded / showed loyalty to Tony with a fat extension a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean they won't trade him away.

Who else have the Spurs held on to based on loyalty and family? , they were ready to part ways with the Admiral if necessary and TP aint the Admiral.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

[look_at_g_shred]

If lebron had a choice as to who would be guarding him and it was between KL/Iggy ... He'd pick AI 7 days out of the week and twice on sunday tbh..

[Kawhitstorm]

Klay's also making idiots out of everybody that thought Green was better than him. Unclutch , stat padder , playoff choker , terrible defender etc.

He got his ass tore up by WestBrick & is now getting his ass tore up by Kyrie. Even Lillard clowned on him before Curry returned & shut down in Gm 6.

Kerr would rather have Iggy with bad back guard LeBron than that overrated who was atrocious in the first half of Gm 6 & got outplayed by Barbosa.

Holla at me when he guards guys his own size rather than 6'2" point guards.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

Evita made up for 2013 Turnobili w/ his 2014 postseason performance, Enrique has yet to make up for his historically ty 2015 postseason. He had a 3 year contract extension & the first year resulted in him sinking the in Gm 5.

Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore:

On four consecutive possessions during the fourth quarter of the Spurs’ pivotal Game 5 game against the Thunder, MVP runner-up Kawhi Leonard did not touch the ball.

Starting at the four-minute mark of the final quarter, Leonard was absent from the offense, not taking a shot until a desperation 3 with two seconds remaining. At that point the game was already gone.

For the final four minutes, it wasn’t Leonard, or even LaMarcus Aldridge, but veteran Spurs point guard Tony Parker who was running the offense. In that stretch Parker missed two pull-up jumpers, was fouled and missed one of his free throws, and on the other end the Thunder’s two-headed monster of Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant (with a little bit of help from the officials) put away the game.

It was a terrible stretch for the Spurs, who didn’t force the issue by putting the ball in Leonard’s hands, instead allowing the more assertive Parker to take over.

And it partly cost them the game.

Evita meanwhile is the most underrated player of his era:

[TheGoldStandard]

Evita made up for 2013 Turnobili w/ his 2014 postseason performance, Enrique has yet to make up for his historically ty 2015 postseason. He had a 3 year contract extension & the first year resulted in him sinking the in Gm 5.

Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore:

When he was 19 he bought a home and furnished it..

[tmtcsc]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

When exactly did Parker give the team more? Manu wasn't sent packing because he agreed to come back at a salary comparable with his role and court time. Plus, he has credit built up for when he was a bad-ass on the court and sacrificed his body for the team. TP sacrificed one sugar donut for another.

[Hoops Czar]

I've been watching a long, long time. I saw George Gervin and Sean Elliott get traded, Avery Johnson sent packing, Malik allowed to walk, Finley granted permission to leave, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry and Brent Barry not brought back, etc.. Matt Bonner has been bench fodder for years and kept around as a practice player. His name shouldn't even be part of the equation. Parker was allegedly almost sent packing in exchange for a top 10 draft pick in 2011. As I've stated before, the team rewarded / showed loyalty to Tony with a fat extension a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean they won't trade him away.

Who else have the Spurs held on to based on loyalty and family? , they were ready to part ways with the Admiral if necessary and TP aint the Admiral.

Tony Parker isn't a bit player. He was a crucial piece for 3 of the 5 Spurs championships and he was a Spurs draft pick. Bowen, Horry and Finley retired, Barry played out one last season as an end of the bench scrub for Seattle, Avery and Malik wanted to leave, Sean and George were playing in a different era of Spurs basketball, etc. GM's around the league wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least make and take phone calls. All players get talked about in trade rumors at one time or another including Manu and Wade but 95% of them have no legs. Btw, Tony Parker was just entering his physical peak in 2011 at age 28 so it might have been more to do with the Spurs attempting to gauge Parker's value on the open market rather than trying to consummate an actual trade.

[TheGreatYacht]

When exactly did Parker give the team more? Manu wasn't sent packing because he agreed to come back at a salary comparable with his role and court time. Plus, he has credit built up for when he was a bad-ass on the court and sacrificed his body for the team. TP sacrificed one sugar donut for another.

Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.

Parker > Manu

[Kawhitstorm]

Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.

Parker > Manu

Manu is LESS minutes had MORE win-shares when they were both in their primes.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu is LESS minutes had MORE win-shares when they were both in their primes.

You gonna use TS% next?

"Win shares"

James Harden 2014: 12.8 WS
James Harden 2015: 16.4 WS
James Harden 2016: 13.3 WS

Kawhi Leonard 2014: 7.7 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2015: 8.6 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2016: 13.7 WS

but, but, Kiwi is Top 3

[Kawhitstorm]

You gonna use TS% next?

"Win shares"

James Harden 2014: 12.8 WS
James Harden 2015: 16.4 WS
James Harden 2016: 13.3 WS

Kawhi Leonard 2014: 7.7 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2015: 8.6 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2016: 13.7 WS

but, but, Kiwi is Top 3

Last I checked Harden finished 2nd in MVP & was voted the players' MVP last season.

[TheGreatYacht]

Last I checked Harden finished 2nd in MVP & was voted the player's MVP.

Harden didn't even make All-NBA this season but Kiwi was 2nd in MVP voting

det win share

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden didn't even make All-NBA this season but Kiwi was 2nd in MVP voting

det win share

This season, Harden played WAY MORE minutes than Kawhi (3125 vs 2380) which impacts the win-share since it's ulative.

He still had more win-shares than HarDone ala Manu over Porker so the joke is one you:

[tmtcsc]

Tony Parker isn't a bit player. He was a crucial piece for 3 of the 5 Spurs championships and he was a Spurs draft pick. Bowen, Horry and Finley retired, Barry played out one last season as an end of the bench scrub for Seattle, Avery and Malik wanted to leave, Sean and George were playing in a different era of Spurs basketball, etc. GM's around the league wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least make and take phone calls. All players get talked about in trade rumors at one time or another including Manu and Wade but 95% of them have no legs. Btw, Tony Parker was just entering his physical peak in 2011 at age 28 so it might have been more to do with the Spurs attempting to gauge Parker's value on the open market rather than trying to consummate an actual trade.

Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs. Brent Barry went to Houston. Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs and Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him. The Spurs traded George Hill in 2011 for Kawhi Leonard, it wasn't a matter of determining TP's market value. And we both know you made up that about Avery and Malik not wanting to come back. Malik was traded to the Knicks for essentially Nazr Mohammed. Avery was 36 and no longer the player he once was. The Spurs didn't resign him when he became a FA. Where was the loyalty then? The city loved Avery and the organization even retired his number.

The Spurs don't give a about all that fan loyalty stuff. If a player can produce to expectations and accept their roles - they have a chance to stick around. If they can't OR the organization feels it can improve by moving the player - they will make it happen. People are caught up in believing a bunch of fantasy land regarding the team. The NBA is a hard-core business. Winning trumps everything.

[TheGreatYacht]

This season, Harden played WAY MORE minutes than Kawhi (3125 vs 2380) which impacts the win-share since it's ulative.

He still had more win-shares than HarDone ala Manu over Porker so the joke is one you:

Harden literally blew Kiwi out of the water in every stat this season, yet Kiwi who was inferior and on a way better team and system got more hardware

Harden-Kiwi debate is arguable.

Parker-Manure isn't, Parker has the better stats AND NBA hardware.

Compare Jamal Crawful and Manure instead, don't disrespect a Top 10 PG of all time

[tmtcsc]

don't disrespect a Top 10 PG of all time

[tmtcsc]

Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.


Parker > Manu

What the are you talking about? You are spouting off some delusional there. Who was on the floor at the end of the game in the 2003 Finals? Speedy ing Claxton. Who stpped up when TP pulled up lame against OKC in the 2014 WCF - Corey Jospeh. Who had to play the majority of minutes when TP had some bull ailment against the Mavs in game 6 of the 2003 WCF - Steve Kerr. TP has a history of shriveling up on the biggest stage. After 15 something years in the league I can count on 1 hand when the dude carried his teammates and was clutch.

Manu was arguably the MVP of the 2005 Finals and averaged almost 20 pts a game with a broken arm in 2011 Memphis series. He was about to turn 34 if I'm not mistaken. The guy gave his left nut to the team this year. You have got to be ting me if you think Parker has been the better player for the Spurs. Manu is the better player now for s sake.

Tony Parker's game has not evolved fast enough to keep pace with his decline. He can't stay in front of people on D and he can't get by his opponents on offense like he once did. His 3 pt shooting has improved but not nearly as much as the Spurs needed. Nah, dude is done and needs to be gone. I thought he could bounce back after the Clippers playoff debacle but he was mediocre at best. Worth 15 Mill a season? GTFO. PLEASE someone take him.