I don't think this is true, but if it is the upside is getting a broken Kawhi?
I didn't talk about any upside, tbh. I'm just saying that if Kawhi fails the medical, then the concerns about him become real, and the only team that might be willing to still believe in him will be Pop and the Spurs. But on that scenario, Kawhi will have to make a lot of concessions, tbh.
Fair enough. I don't think he'd want to sign with us and I don't think we'd be the only team in the market. I'm not sure the Spurs would be in the market actually. Maybe they would since they want to compete now and there would be no way of trading him. I think that's a horrible scenario. I'd much rather have Demar than a broken Kawhi. Would be nice to have Danny though.
If he fails his physical, Toronto will probably waive him through anyway because they don't want anything to do with DeRozen's contract.
The physical is supposed to be today, so we should know soon enough.
I see what you are saying. What SA got was already baked in risk-wise for Kawhi’s health. I agree, but I don’t think SA would do that IMVHOBUCO
Its in a couple days i heard
I thought the physical was in a couple of days per their GM
Kawhi can be injured and still not be worse than DeRozan. We've already seen Leonard after this injury. We know what to expect if it doesn't get better. I'd much rather keep a humbled Leonard than take back an even worse deal. Second, what I would do doesn't have to align with what PATFO would do. They can want to be compe ive while I would rather gamble. Them feeling a different way doesn't make them right. Third, the point you tried to make is that SA didn't really care about the pick. I disagree. I think they really wanted it and probably gave up something else to get it. As I said, the rumored packaged had SA giving up a pick, and it took them days more to get to this agreement. That doesn't sound incidental to me.
First, you didn't understand why I mentioned cognitive dissonance to timvp -- and you didn't know because I wasn't talking to you. Second, you apparently think I'm "looking for a way out" and that it somehow affects what I just said. That's stupid right there. Third, you go long stretches without posting then come back here and contribute nothing but fake controversy. Don't accuse others of going "full ". Take another hiatus and come back after you learn to read and understand points before you reply to them.
I understand waiving is an option, but why would a team ever do that? Doesn’t that set a horrible precedent for their relationship for the future? I understand Ujiri is handling him with kid gloves, but if he actually has nagging injuries (0.5% chance, but still), why take the risk?
I don't think they'd give up the pick. They might give a second back or something, but I don't think Toronto wants this deal to fail any more than SA does. The last thing they need is a livid DeRozan on their roster for three seasons. Dude could go full Lamar Odom.
Why would the Spurs not give back the pick? Masai. It doesn't pay to have a good relationship with him anyway. SA isn't the ones that would be backing out here. It would be Toronto. PATFO doesn't have to capitulate to their new demands just because it might make Masai mad otherwise.
For sure - that’s what I said too. It’s gone too far now for TOR to turn back.
Lol fake controversy? I replied to you because you're wrong and you simply decided to act like a instead of talking about the issue at hand. You started crying and making it personal so maybe you need a break. Stick to the topics at hand or don't cry. It's not that hard
No, a Kawhi who can't pass a physical at this point is not better than DeRozan. That's the fundamental point
I am unclear as to what would cause a player to fail a physical. Not even sure if Toronto cares.
could you imagine if toronto decided to not waive a failed physical and just rescind the trade due to public backlash?
i really don't see that happening though.
as jaded as demar is atm i do believe he'd still wanna stay with the raptors.
What do you make of SA cutting bait with him relatively soon? This trade, and the timing of it, doesn't seem like the "exhaust all means to keep him" approach which RC declared on draft night (yeah a leverage ploy, but still). From a different angle and amid all of what's has gone, the move is also a vote of confidence in their medical team.
The thought of Kawhi not holding up in the long term-- or him not making an effort to do so-- must have played a major role in their decision to move on as quickly as possible.
I actually would like to think he faked this from way back in August '17, but I find it difficult to fathom the whole thing (True, there was little bit of hold out in the end, circa March, but the rest could just be legit chronic pain he couldn't suck it up)..
If Nephew fails the physical and all the Raptors want back is that protected pick, the Spurs would be ecstatic and agree to that in a second. It takes a lot to fail a physical after a trade. They'd have to find something much worse than has been discovered so far. Tendinitis/tendinosis/tendinopathy/ornithoscelidaphobia alone would very likely be overlooked.
He will pass phisical, his injury is not something you could indicate in MRI, he has a weird and rare condition, more of a functional problem of the muscle, not quite the same but similar kind of condition that cause Fults to forget how to shot, it's a brain-muscle dissfunctional thing that in kawhi case his body "forgot" how to use right that muscle and it causing pain, its tough to solve this kind of condition...
Exactly. In order to fail he's have to be completely broken.
Raptors want to get out of tax . They're currently halfway there after the trade. No way they want this to fail.
I wondered about this too, but at the end of the day Kawhi will realize he'd rather spend next season in Canada than in SA..
Agreed. I think whatever the physical shows, they'll keep him They are willing to have damaged Kawhi for a year, but are just hoping that's not the case.
Makes perfect sense for Kawhi to play nice initially with the Raptors. He can always fake another injury after he starts getting paid.
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