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    Meanwhile Murray and the Larry O'Brian Trophy have both gone in a different direction.

    Took a little while and it also took taking a young man off IR and putting him in the starting lineup...

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    What young man in 99?

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    2002-03, T Park.

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    89-90 no later than 91.

    He was with SAS in 1994....drafted in 1991 by the Suns and was there for 3+ seasons.


    @ Google.


    1991 23 PHO
    1992 24 PHO
    1993 25 PHO
    1994 26 PHO
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    1995 27 POR
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    1999 31 TOR

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    He was with SAS in 1994....drafted in 1991 by the Suns and was there for 4 seasons.


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    drafted in 90-91 and with the spurs in 93-94 per NBA.com


    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/negele_knight/bio.html
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    What's funny is from what I've read Holt became the owner in June of '99
    Holt, along with his wife Julianna Hawn Holt, bought into the Spurs ownership group in 1996, and Holt became chairman of the board that same year.
    So Negele Knight more than pre-dated holt. Plus, it was only 3 years after holt the spurs won the le! Maybe they should have won his first year? Or maybe the spurs stockpiling YOUNG International talent isn't enough?

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    F' y'all.

    MarcusBryant has killed more Spurs knowledge drinking cognac and smoking hydro than most of you will ever come to realize.

    If we do not study the past, examine missed opportunites and learn from our mistakes, we will never be able to achieve perfection in the present.

    Marcus is all about kaizen... continuous improvement.

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    When did Pop become GM?

    Holt was certainly in the ownership group when the Spurs were after Murray.

    Anyways, my point didn't need Holt to be owner. It was about how things were when the Spurs were capped out and had no young talent to develop. That existed pre and post Holt. You can replace Knight with Chucky Brown if you like.

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    When did Pop become GM?

    Holt was certainly in the ownership group when the Spurs were after Murray.

    Anyways, my point didn't need Holt to be owner. It was about how things were when the Spurs were capped out and had no young talent to develop. That existed pre and post Holt. You can replace Knight with Chucky Brown if you like.
    The talent shifted overseas and the Spurs were certainly one of the first ones there. Without Pop and RC's foresight we're not loaded with Top of the line international talent, under contract for many years too.


    Nothing wrong with an owner wanting to maintain financial flexibility, you seem to advocate the Dallas Mavaricks, New York Knick, Portalnd Trailblazer style of ownership/management.

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    Who cares? The spurs have three rings and more to come in the near future without the help of ford, knight, and all the other generic scrubs MB loves.

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    Nothing wrong with an owner wanting to maintain financial flexibility, you seem to advocate the Dallas Mavaricks, New York Knick, Portalnd Trailblazer style of ownership/management.
    I'm talking about signing players to minimum contracts, not $40 mil+ ones.

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    And '96 did seem a little late for when Holt joined the ownership group:

    That value was one of the primary factors in his decision in 1993 to invest in the Spurs; a desire to keep the team in San Antonio and operating successfully. He and his wife Julianna Hawn Holt are now the franchise’s principal owners.
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    I think he became the lead partner in '96.

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    I'm talking about signing players to minimum contracts, not $40 mil+ ones.
    those players need playing time to develop. No one develops sitting on the bench. Hence, the beauty of drafting International players. You maintain their rights, don't have to pay them, and they develop in very compe ive leagues. Looks like a genius strategy to me.

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    those players need playing time to develop. No one develops sitting on the bench. Hence, the beauty of drafting International players. You maintain their rights, don't have to pay them, and they develop in very compe ive leagues. Looks like a genius strategy to me.

    The thing is, the NBA changed the IR system. Now a team can assign players on IR to NDBL teams to play. And besides, it's not like that stopped the Spurs from bringing in young players to sit on IR in prior seasons.

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    The thing is, the NBA changed the IR system. Now a team can assign players on IR to NDBL teams to play. And besides, it's not like that stopped the Spurs from bringing in young players to sit on IR in prior seasons.
    those guys were practice players with no real hope of ever making a difference for the spurs. NDBL is one way of developing a farm system, but the spurs obvious focus is overseas. Hence, the change from World Champion Banners to NBA champion Banners.

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    those players need playing time to develop. No one develops sitting on the bench. Hence, the beauty of drafting International players. You maintain their rights, don't have to pay them, and they develop in very compe ive leagues. Looks like a genius strategy to me.
    I agree with that. But the international players the Spurs have developing, don't look like NBA prospects except Mahinmi. Scola's contract will likely stop him from ever being in the NBA. Karalouv doesn't look he'll ever be an NBA player. Javtokas probably would have been here by now if they had plans for him. I'm not sure about Sanikidze but he's out injured for the year.

    I would like the DLeague to be developed into a league where an NBA team can sign a player to a contract less than the NBA salary and have that player not count agains the 15 man roster. Then they could send the player down to their DLeague team and develop him there. Right now it sucks because the NBA team has to pay full NBA salary and the players count against their roster limit. If they want a true development league, they need to alter the rules.

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    Remember when the Spurs tried to sign Larry Stewart...Michael Smith....Tyrone Nesby? Offer sheets that went south. In retrospect, (yawn)......

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    those guys were practice players with no real hope of ever making a difference for the spurs. NDBL is one way of developing a farm system, but the spurs obvious focus is overseas.
    Why not use the Spurs' talent evaluation strength here at home? They've done that before with Rose, Jack, DBrown, etc...

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    I agree with that. But the international players the Spurs have developing, don't look like NBA prospects except Mahinmi. Scola's contract will likely stop him from ever being in the NBA. Karalouv doesn't look he'll ever be an NBA player. Javtokas probably would have been here by now if they had plans for him. I'm not sure about Sanikidze but he's out injured for the year.

    I would like the DLeague to be developed into a league where an NBA team can sign a player to a contract less than the NBA salary and have that player not count agains the 15 man roster. Then they could send the player down to their DLeague team and develop him there. Right now it sucks because the NBA team has to pay full NBA salary and the players count against their roster limit. If they want a true development league, they need to alter the rules.
    NBDL is in the developmental stages. As far as the spurs international farm system, anything can happen. It was only 2 years ago no one ever thought Javtokas would ever play again. Scola is still a possiblility if not trade bait, Mahinmi seems to have huge upside, Karalov has his moments but who knows, Sanikidze has looked very good from what I've read.

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    Why not use the Spurs' talent evaluation strength here at home? They've done that before with Rose, Jack, DBrown, etc...
    you can throw in Haslem too. Rose was rewarded for his hard work with a contract no one in their right mind would ever give him again, Jack had some character issues, DBrown who I like a lot but after watching Finley I can see why DBrown was let go, especially since Finley is signed for 3 years.

    All that being said the upside of the international talent is higher than the group american group. I say spend whatever resources the spurs have to continue to scout overseas talent, atleast until that strategy fails.

    Shoot we can even throw in Beno into the mix of interantional young talent.

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    There's nothing about the international efforts that really precludes them from evaluating and selecting domestic talent. They already do that. Why not utilize that?

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    Does this mean Ghost Writer has Marcus' nuts in his mouth?

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    Respect your elders.

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    Why not use the Spurs' talent evaluation strength here at home? They've done that before with Rose, Jack, DBrown, etc...
    because they're are scoring bigger overseas with Manu, Tony, Scola, Oberto, Beno, Mahinmi, Javtokas, etc... All of this leads me to think that our scouting Dept needs to be the highest paid.

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    If there was someone over HERE worth a , Im sure they would.

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