Why does Marcus Bryant care about

[Oh, Gee!!]

about the players the Spurs don't sign?

[coopdogg3]

Because MB has a rational care about the future of the team. If I may be so bold as to speak for him. He wants the Spurs to be a contender for the next decade.

Unfortunately MB fashions his language with, IMHO, an irrationale hatred for Holt. He feels that every good decision is made by Pop and RC DESPITE Holt, and that every slightly questionable decision must be the result of the evil owner Holt interfering with basketball operations. I would honestly find a lot more to agree with MB if his completely baseless hatred of Holt was tempered a bit, and if he had the maturity to realize that those who happen to support the Spurs during some questionable moves (such as not re-signing Brown) don't necessarily "like Holt's nuts". Or some other equitable comment.

coopdogg3

[ChumpDumper]

He's a dog with a bone.

90% of his posts this season will be about how cheap the ownership group of this team is.

9% will be about how Rasho sucks.

The other 1% will be devoted to TheWriter.

[T Park]

lol.

Damn, Chump has it nailed perfectly.

[FromWayDowntown]

Marcus is convinced that Holt doesn't always do what's in the best interests of the basketball team, unless that best interest of the basketball team happens to coincide with the best interests of the bottom line. I think there's a valid point, in that the Spurs' refusal to go over the luxury tax threshold has occasionally meant that they missed on guys (or gave up on guys) who would be helpful not just now but into the future.

[T Park]

Because MB has a rational care about the future of the team. If I may be so bold as to speak for him. He wants the Spurs to be a contender for the next decade.

Unfortunately MB fashions his language with, IMHO, an irrationale hatred for Holt. He feels that every good decision is made by Pop and RC DESPITE Holt, and that every slightly questionable decision must be the result of the evil owner Holt interfering with basketball operations. I would honestly find a lot more to agree with MB if his completely baseless hatred of Holt was tempered a bit, and if he had the maturity to realize that those who happen to support the Spurs during some questionable moves (such as not re-signing Brown) don't necessarily "like Holt's nuts". Or some other equitable comment

That is a fantastic post.

I agree, he wants the team to do well. , we ALL do.

But to the extremes hes going, and to the absurdity hes taking the conversations is staggering.

Its a shame, even Timvp is involved now.

[CosmicCowboy]

He's gotta have something to get worked up about since GhostWriter doesn't post much anymore.

[Marcus Bryant]

The reason is because MB remembers the bad old days when Negele Knight seemed like a good pickup. When baseline bum, timvp and him would've given their left nuts for a Lamond Murray. Back when the Spurs had no young talent and were capped out. That was year after year after year. Just because times are good, that doesn't mean it can't or won't change.

[Solid D]

1) It's good controversial talk when the Forum gets boring, and
2) if this were MagicTalk or HawkTalk, where such criticism would be considered ho-hum normal and much less controversial, it's not good talk.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Maybe there's some parallel universe where the Spurs' roster consists only of players that the Spurs passed on in this universe. Somehow, MB has a window into the "other-world" Spurs games, and he likes what he sees.

[wildbill2u]

Lots of guys get cut or waived. Most GMs see those players and see marginal talents that can't help their team.

MB looks at all these castoffs and sees an owner too cheap to look for glitter among the dross.

Then there are the players who can play in the league at some level, but for some reason don't fit the current Spurs roster (Devin Brown?) because of a jam at the position or being a 'tweener' when we don't need any more of that. MB sees another Holt conspiracy instead of basketball decisions by RC and Pop.

[2centsworth]

The reason is because MB remembers the bad old days when Negele Knight seemed like a good pickup. When baseline bum, timvp and him would've given their left nuts for a Lamond Murray. Back when the Spurs had no young talent and were capped out. That was year after year after year. Just because times are good, that doesn't mean it can't or won't change.

aren't you describing the pre-holt days?

[Marcus Bryant]

aren't you describing the pre-holt days?

No.

[2centsworth]

No.

yes they are. first couple of years it takes new ownership time to get their people like Pop and RC. The problems in which you describe definitely pre-date holt.

[Rogbok]

I thihnk MB and others just want to pick on one side of that double edged sword. As much as they may not want to admit, it is also the responsibility of Pop and RC to run the franchise as not just a basketball team trying to win, but a business trying to make money. It may have been Holt's decission or interference, but it also may have been Pop's and RC's decission even if reluctantely so because of the basketball side.

Unless you are actually there for the decission and have full knowledge, you cannot place the blame completely at one or the other, though it is much easier to place the blame at the very top.

[Marcus Bryant]

yes they are. first couple of years it takes new ownership time to get their people like Pop and RC. The problems in which you describe definitely pre-date holt.

Holt was the owner when they were trying to land Murray and Pop was GM starting in '94.

Those problems were in full effect throughout the mid to late 90s when Holt was in the ownership group.

[GoSpurs21]

Because MB has a rational care about the future of the team. If I may be so bold as to speak for him. He wants the Spurs to be a contender for the next decade.

Unfortunately MB fashions his language with, IMHO, an irrationale hatred for Holt. He feels that every good decision is made by Pop and RC DESPITE Holt, and that every slightly questionable decision must be the result of the evil owner Holt interfering with basketball operations. I would honestly find a lot more to agree with MB if his completely baseless hatred of Holt was tempered a bit, and if he had the maturity to realize that those who happen to support the Spurs during some questionable moves (such as not re-signing Brown) don't necessarily "like Holt's nuts". Or some other equitable comment.

coopdogg3

finally someone with the maturity to point out the immaturity of MB, but he left out TiMVP is also has the same hatred for ownership.

[2centsworth]

Holt was the owner when they were trying to land Murray and Pop was GM starting in '94.

Those problems were in full effect throughout the mid to late 90s when Holt was in the ownership group.

they were just getting started, and 5 short years later they win the championship. Negele Knight goes back to the 80s.

[Marcus Bryant]

they were just getting started, and 5 short years later they win the championship. Negele Knight goes back to the 80s.

Nope. 90s.

[2centsworth]

Nope. 90s.

89-90 no later than 91.

[Marcus Bryant]

I thihnk MB and others just want to pick on one side of that double edged sword. As much as they may not want to admit, it is also the responsibility of Pop and RC to run the franchise as not just a basketball team trying to win, but a business trying to make money. It may have been Holt's decission or interference, but it also may have been Pop's and RC's decission even if reluctantely so because of the basketball side.

Unless you are actually there for the decission and have full knowledge, you cannot place the blame completely at one or the other, though it is much easier to place the blame at the very top.

Pop, RC and Presti are working within the budgetary limits imposed by Holt. There is also the impetus to get under the luxury tax threshold.

[Marcus Bryant]

89-90 no later than 91.

Nope. After that.

[Solid D]

Holt was the owner when they were trying to land Murray and Pop was GM starting in '94.

Those problems were in full effect throughout the mid to late 90s when Holt was in the ownership group.

Meanwhile Murray and the Larry O'Brian Trophy have both gone in a different direction.

[Marcus Bryant]

Knight was a member of the Spurs in 1993-94.

[2centsworth]

he was a rookie in 90.