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^ I agree, but bibby may be as effective as parker though. so, tp is definitely a top 10.
No...not as long as he's a shoot first PG. However, I'm willing to readdress this issue after the playoffs, where TP has yet to show he can hold his own.
^ I agree, but bibby may be as effective as parker though. so, tp is definitely a top 10.
He had 8 assists to 1 turnover tonight. I'll take that any day.
TP flat out dominates some playoff games. He wins them singlehandedly. He just hasn't been as consistent as we would like, but the 3 or 4 games he wins for us are crucial in getting us to the finish line. He's still only 23.
Yep...top 10...Not of all time, but of nowadays. As TP goes, so go the Spurs. Thats the way it is.
Tony Parker.....
- Is a poor shooter
- Is a poor distributor
- Is a poor rebounder
- is a poor defender
NO - Tony Parker is not a top-10 point guard.
Here are 15 point guards clearly better than Tony Parker...
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Baron Davis
Stephon Marbury
Gilbert Arenas
Steve Francis
Jamaal Tinsley
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson
Kirk Hinrich
TJ Ford
Sam Cassell
Allen Iverson
Mike Bibby
Andre Miller
Here are 12 point guards arguably better, or as good, as Tony Parker....
Raymond Felton
Jason Terry
Rafer Alston
Jason Williams
Marko Jaric
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Brevin Knight
Antonio Daniels
Bobby Jackson
Damon Stoudemire
list of point guards I'd say Tony Parker is better than....
Marcus Banks
Delonte West
Jason Hart
Chris Duhon
Damon Jones
Devin Harris
Earl Watson
Speedy Claxton
Mike James
Maurice Williams
Anthony Johnson
Beno Udrih
Shaun Livingston
Zoran Planicic
Nate Robinson
Luke Ridnour
Sebastion Telfair
Jarret Jack
Jameer Nelson
Nick Van Exel
Smush Parker
Eric Snow
Gary Payton
Keyon Dooling
Jose Calderon
Eddie Gill
Rick Brunson
Carlos Arroyo
Kevin Ollie
Erick Strickland
Keith McLeod
Jamaal Tinsley
You're damned right! Francis?
What's wrong with fans of basketball unwilling to admit that new, young players like Parker can evolve? These guys are so willing to make LeBron James and Carmello Anthony the be-all and end-all of prowess. Well, these players have done rather well, but have failed to bring home the ring. Do you suppose this is because their incredible talent landed them on a team filled with failures?
Gee! I'm the greatest highschool/college player on the face of the earrth and I'm the first draft choice of the worst team in the NBA. These former highschool or college stars are tasked with carrying a team.
What's wrong with this scenario?Sallie
Wonderful! Now, which of these wonderful PGs brought home the ring in the last 6 years? Isn't that the acid test? You can be a great PG on a lousy team and nobody will remember your name.by the Spurs!
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this guy is ridiculous. Hey dude if you know so much about basketball. Why are you already down to $25 vbookie???
Wow. You just contradicted yourself. So you expect Tony to carry the team and have TIM FREAKIN' DUNCAN just sitting on the sideline watching? If Marbury, Cassell, Bibby, or Francis were on the Spurs playing behind Timmy they wouldn't get the chance to carry the team either.
On your freaking ridiculous list, besides Billups, which PG has led his team to an NBA le? On your whole list, which PG has led his team to 2 NBA les?
Your list of PGs who are as good as Parker is plain stupid. bunch of rookies and injured or problematic vets. I would not take any of them over Parker. Mayber Deron Williams if he develops like I think he would be not as of this point in time.
Your 15 PGs clearly better than Parker is ridiculous. In addition to what I mentioned above regarding les, players like Marbury, Cassell I would never take cause of their at ude issues. Some of them on that list are overrated like Johnson, Francis, Miller, Tinsley, Davis. Kidd is getting old and banged up.
So go buy a brain or something cause I wont consider taking many PGs ahead of Parker. Players I would consider taking are Arenas and Ford. Thats all. And thats only consider taking them.
Damn, here we go again.parker got schooled in the final.
How many points did Parker give up in game 7?
You say Tony was stopped with the exception of the first two games against the Lakers. You're right, but the other side to that is he won the first two games by himself. Their are less than a handful of Pt. Guards who could have done the same. Now does Tony need to work on his consistency? Yes, but in the past three years he has won games by himself which more often than not have catapulted the spurs to championships, 2 out of 3 years.
Tony has the special ability to take his game to a level that others players can't reach.
Ricky Davis can "carry" a team, as long as you don't care about actually winning games. I can't see that being the best player on a bad team is anything to brag about. Francis and Marbury have "carried" teams onto the scrap heap -- teams that got markedly better soon after they were traded. And each of their current teams may well be looking to dump them yet again before this season's over.
Both Cassell and Bibby have run teams, but I think it would be a stretch to say either has ever carried one. Personally, I think Bibby probably is a little ahead of Parker at this point, but Cassell isn't enough of a defender to give him a clear edge.
i dont care if tony can't shoot unless it makes him have a bad game. i dont care if he scores all his points off layups...just as long as he scores. having a jumper is overrated if you can score efficiently in other ways. he had a better fg% than francis and marbury and guys like that with a better jumper. he doesn't hurt the team concept the way those guys do. he is a top 10 point guard by the way. i bet of you ask larry brown if he would rather tony over steph he would take tony in a heartbeat
Baron Davis is ALWAYS hurt but he is pretty good when hes actually not hurt. Arena? Arenas, he is alright nothing special. Cassell is too old but he was pretty good when he was younger.
Tony is the best the Spurs could have.
The really better PG are 5 to 10 years older like Kidd, Billups and Nash or always injured like Davis.
All the others who are considered "ahead" of Parker are a bunch of scoring point guards who never have been in a contender team (Marbury, Francis and Arenas) and some talented players but nothing more than that (Hinrich, Bibby, Miller...) .
He has some glaring holes in his game but what makes him special is his capacity to penetrate whoever is his oponent. That's a rare quality who mekes him an instant top 10 point guard.
Arenas, Iverson, Francis are SGs.............B Davis is hurting and not as good as he was once...........Bibby's D SUCKS bad, he might shoot a bit better %wise from downtown, and the vision's slightly better, but outside that ?..........Cassel is OLD and breaking.............the only PG's i'd ranked clearly above him right now are Nash & Kidd, Marbury & Billups are iffy -better in some aspects, worse in others- Tony's definitely a TOP 10 PG, perhaps a top 5 indeed
Here's the real litmus test: Which point guards would you trade Tony Parker for, straight up?
I don't see anyone on any of these lists that I'd like to see the Spurs trade him for.
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