Duncan not one of the best?

[polandprzem]

Tymoteusz Boguslaw Duncan "Brazowy wojownik" (Brown warrior)

[40minus8]

Well in my opinion each great player has there own history and way of showing how good they are. You cannot compare or better yet it is not right to compare one player to another past, present, or future player. The things that a player does that make him a great player are the ones you remember and the stats that show that a player not only does great on his own, but makes his team mates and team better. Duncan has what you might call brains. If he is duobled team he will pass the ball, if he sees a team mate open with a better shot he passes, I mean if you want to say a player is not great or has he done that makes hima great player you should talk about Shaq, T-Mac, Kobey, or perhaps Vince Carter.

[polandprzem]

WTF?

One loss and we get this piece of crap thread?

Okay now we have another win and the thread goes on.


Why not compare the greats?

Why everybody talking Jordan GOAT? This is not a opinion now it is a statment of a fact...


Ps. there is many sucking threads in here and I'm not posting there. Why are you doing this in the thread you think sucks?

[polandprzem]

Shaq? GIG where are U from?

[duncan_21]

It is said that Tim has not that killer instinct. He don't have what Magic had and what Bird had. The heroics. Is it what TD needs to be one of "them"?

I think it's green slimy horse that td isn't known to have sports (not real heroics - that goes to the troops fighting a war based on lies) heroics. Do you remember the seattle series? Do you remember the near quadruple double against nj? I don't need to bring up the la series. Is he among the best? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!

For those that don't think he isn't athletic, get a clue. He does excel at coordination/body contorl all the rest he's very good. He's one of those guys who is very good at every aspect physically. He doesn't shine vertically, quickness, or strength. However if you could put a numeric value on all 3 of those aspects for a pf I would be surpised if anyone had a better sum of all 3.

The one thing he does excel at is coordination. He knows the best way to put his body in position to shoot, pass, dunk, rebound, block and has the coordination to balance his body in such a way that he succeeds in all aspects of the game.

The only reason td gets no mainstream love is because he doesn't play for ny, la, or chi.

[BlueShark#6]

Where is the place for Timothy Theodore Duncan among all the greats in history?
It is said that Tim has not that killer instinct. He don't have what Magic had and what Bird had. The heroics. Is it what TD needs to be one of "them"?
The clutchness and determination. Bird was batteling for the rebounds and was hitting the ubelivable shots.
Jordan was the hightlight guy with the determination and winning was hittin the shots in crunch an is GOAT so Tim is not even near him.

Where is Tims domination? Not in stats not in the total advantage. HE IS NOT CONVINCING!

Just goes to work plays some basket and goes home.
For many people he is not the best PF now (and we want to talk about the greats not even the best in his position




Ps. I've got my own anwsers but I would like to wait for your opinions, and please be serious in this one.

Dog wait till Timmy is retiring...he still has some years ahead of him.

[polandprzem]

Dog wait till Timmy is retiring...he still has some years ahead of him.

I do not want to wait.
waiting. The thing is about his status of being great. The opinion is this: "Even if Tim gets 7 rings he won't be where Magic Bird and Jordan" Wchich is BS about those 2. But why then he never be considered a better than Jordan?
The fact that all the Fnals with Jordan was HIS finals.
Tim was close to Manu in the MVP voting.
The 90 leauge was JORDANS leauge
And why it won't be Timmys leauge? Even if he is the best player right now

[Extra Stout]

And why it won't be Timmys leauge? Even if he is the best player right now

Michael Jordan was an extremely charismatic and flashy player in the #3 media market.

Magic Johnson was an extremely charismatic and flashy player in the #2 media market.

Larry Bird was the Great White Hope in the #6 media market.

Tim Duncan is a soft-spoken all-fundamental player with no charisma or flash in the #37 media market.

That is why it will never be "Tim's League." The Kool Kids in the media don't make him their "chosen one" because he doesn't fit the mold of what they want to write or talk about.

It has nothing to do with what he does on the court. It has to do with big-city media sucking their own s.

[polandprzem]

Okay the media thing has got a lot to do with that.
What is the difference between being flashy (with winning ability) and being fundamentaly sound player. What makes Jordan so much better. Even if you take away all the media stuff.

[pache100]

The only reason td gets no mainstream love is because he doesn't play for ny, la, or chi.

That, and he's not loud and obnoxious. Or stupid. Or a criminal.

[Extra Stout]

Okay the media thing has got a lot to do with that.
What is the difference between being flashy (with winning ability) and being fundamentaly sound player. What makes Jordan so much better. Even if you take away all the media stuff.

Jordan had mad hops. He could dunk from the free throw line. He could do double-360s in the lane in the air between defenders and lay the ball in off the glass backwards.

Magic had a wide arsenal of run-and-gun dipsy-doo no-look passes.

Those guys did super-flashy things with the ball that made people who normally don't care about basketball tune in and watch, and they won while doing it.

Meanwhile, Tim Duncan has a bunch of fundamental post moves, good footwork, gets in good rebounding position, keeps his arms up, and moves properly on defense. There's no aerial artistry. There's no menacing physical presence. Nothing flashy. Just basketball.

The casual viewer will tune in to see a guy flying through the air. He won't tune in to see a properly executed drop-step. That's the difference.

[polandprzem]

(I'm still waiting for others teams fans)

[Extra Stout]

If Tim Duncan played for the Boston Celtics, the national media would be all over his all the time. Bill Simmons would get a woodie every time he thought about him.

[polandprzem]

What about that spark "come on guys!"
( I'm talking like a Tims hater - but I must to do that for a while)

Jordans aggresivnes in defense "you won't get through" (I'm talking about the confidence). In offense "unbeatable Jordan" givesw a sign to attack. An he always was the main man in HIS team.

(For some of you - I have my own anwsers - I want just your opinion, and that will give me some knowlage. I possibly adopt something )

Tim is doing this in his way
To me he is like Bill Russell - his greatness is coming mostlyfrom being a team guy (but Bill had better suporters)

[nkdlunch]

The answer you're looking for:

Tim's boring, and his game is boring. (to the average fan)

[polandprzem]

Tim's boring, and his game is boring. (to the average fan)

The answer is not that easy

[nkdlunch]

yes it is.

[Extra Stout]

What about that spark "come on guys!"
( I'm talking like a Tims hater - but I must to do that for a while)

Jordans aggresivnes in defense "you won't get through" (I'm talking about the confidence).

Who is feeding you this bull ?

What team is tougher to score on in the clutch than Tim Duncan's Spurs?

In offense "unbeatable Jordan" givesw a sign to attack.

What the does that even mean? Ooh, Jordan gave an ATTACK sign? What the...? Could it be because HE'S A ING GUARD AND OFTEN IT WAS HIS GODDAMNED JOB TO INITIATE THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE?

Are you saying that Tim Duncan is not great because he's not calling signs like Tony Parker? What?

An he always was the main man in HIS team.

Is there somebody outside of Argentina or France claiming that the Spurs are anybody other than Tim Duncan's team?

(For some of you - I have my own anwsers - I want just your opinion, and that will give me some knowlage. I possibly adopt something )

Whoever you're having this discussion with is such a total ing idiot with respect to the game of basketball that you are belittling and dishonoring yourself to stoop down and talk to him. It's like trying to explain to a 5-year-old why Pinot Noir is a preferrable dinner beverage to cherry Kool-Aid.

[polandprzem]

Whoever you're having this discussion with is such a total ing idiot with respect to the game of basketball that you are belittling and dishonoring yourself to stoop down and talk to him. It's like trying to explain to a 5-year-old why Pinot Noir is a preferrable dinner beverage to cherry Kool-Aid.

I didn't give an answer yet. The realy long answer.
I'm just trading short posts. Well - almost all the forum takes me as a blind Spurs (Tim's) fan. If I find a time I will put a loooong answer.

*sings* - It is motivation which Mike gave to the partners


Btw. I'm not talking to the guys saing KG>TD

[polandprzem]

well?
The spark?

Where are the non spurs fans from that board?

[Obstructed_View]

The answer you're looking for:

Tim's boring, and his game is boring. (to the average fan)

Even Spurs fans underappreciate what Tim does for the team. It really is that simple. Duncan is about as underrated as Jordan is overrated.

[polandprzem]

Thanks for your obstructed view.

And I'm not underappreciate Tim
no way

[polandprzem]

Tim is the best F !
Bird is worst than Tim.

Tim is TOP 5 at least !!!

Now I'm checking Magic

Bird had guts and was a fighter so why almost in every PO his statistics went down?

He had Parish, Archibald even maravich, Maxwell, McHale, Ainge in his team. He had great regular seasons and "just" very good playoffs.

[charmie21]

Timmy is different from Magic, Bird, Jordan or whoever for that matter.. he does things in his own special way so please do not compare him.. whatever people say, what Timmy did and does for the Spurs are priceless.. he is so selfless that he does not care about his stats, the limelight or whatever.. he gives everything he got for the good of his team.. now that's a true CHAMPION..