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Where is the place for Timothy Theodore Duncan among all the greats in history?
It is said that Tim has not that killer instinct. He don't have what Magic had and what Bird had. The heroics. Is it what TD needs to be one of "them"?
The clutchness and determination. Bird was batteling for the rebounds and was hitting the ubelivable shots.
Jordan was the hightlight guy with the determination and winning was hittin the shots in crunch an is GOAT so Tim is not even near him.
Where is Tims domination? Not in stats not in the total advantage. HE IS NOT CONVINCING!
Just goes to work plays some basket and goes home.
For many people he is not the best PF now (and we want to talk about the greats not even the best in his position
Ps. I've got my own anwsers but I would like to wait for your opinions, and please be serious in this one.
After a loss, it's very difficult to take this kind of thread seriously.
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Hmmm....Maybe I should find a game where Jordan, Bird, or Magic, played some "NOT SO GREAT" basketball. There is a difference between Tim and the players mentioned. I cannot say how passionate Tim is, that would not be fair. It is obvious, that he rarely shows it. But, I can say this without doubt, Tim Duncan is the most FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND player to step foot onto a court. Yes, more so than Jordan, Bird, ect. He doesn't have the greatest of athletic abilities, but his basketball IQ can only be associated with EINSTIEN. Everytime I watch him, its amazing. Bird was heralded with the greatest shot to pass through the net. Jordan, the greatest passion anyone has ever seen. Tim, well, he knows this game, better than anyone. But that really isn't what makes him great. Really, the qualities listed isn't what makes these players great. There greatness comes from there selfless at ude. Putting their team before everything else. Why do you think there is so much hype around Lebron. It isn't the fact that he can jump out of the Gym, nor shoot out lights, but the fact that he is willing to do whatever it takes to put his teamates in the best possible position to win. That's what makes a CHAMPION. That's what makes great players, the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.
My answers about Duncan were answered during the last finals.
I think what bothers most about Timmy's demeanor is the fact that he could go home, regardless of win or loss, and still be content with his life. This is how it should be. We all should love basketball, but giving family, friends, God, a backseat to basketball is ludicris, yet it is what we are told Champions are made of. The man who places other things before basketball, numerous times, are considered to lack the necessary passion to be a true CHAMPION, a true GOAT. I disagree. The champion I see, has his jersey hanging in the rafters, #50. There is no greater CHAMPION.
Great players are always going to be measured by Championships and MVP's.
He's well on his way.
Tim will be the best PF to ever play the game when he retires, his name should be mentioned with Wilt Chamberlin, Shaq, and Bill Russell
He'll get into the Hall of Fame and thats all that matters in my book. You can't compare legends. They were all great in their own way.
Duncan sits on a small lifeboat with a handful of other players who already accomplished what he had, and they will always be critisized for the games that won't matter.
You set yourself up for this one...Where is the place for Timothy Theodore Duncan among all the greats in history?
It is said that Tim has not that killer instinct. He don't have what Magic had and what Bird had. The heroics. Is it what TD needs to be one of "them"?
The clutchness and determination. Bird was batteling for the rebounds and was hitting the ubelivable shots.
Jordan was the hightlight guy with the determination and winning was hittin the shots in crunch an is GOAT so Tim is not even near him.
Where is Tims domination? Not in stats not in the total advantage. HE IS NOT CONVINCING!
Just goes to work plays some basket and goes home.
For many people he is not the best PF now (and we want to talk about the greats not even the best in his position
Ps. I've got my own anwsers but I would like to wait for your opinions, and please be serious in this one.
Tim Duncan Made the second most Clutch at the buzzer shot in the playoffs in the last 5 years...
Problem is... D Fisher made the first about 1.1 seconds later.
I think the thing about Duncan is how he rare it is for him to have a bad game. i agree if he was more selfish and demanded the ball more he would have better stats and probably more game winning shots. Fortunately for the spurs he is not that kind of player. He is willing to be a decoy, a star, a defender whatever it takes. When it is said and done I think he will be remembered as the best Pf of all time.
And tim is very dominating. I bet if you ask anyone who plays against Him they will back me up on that.
very true.,
I don't understand this thread.
Tim Duncan is widely acknowledged as the best basketball player in the world today.
Though not yet 30 years of age, Tim Duncan has already in a majority of hoopheads' minds passed Karl Malone to be recognized as the greatest power forward in the history of the game.
There are discussions about whether he or Larry Bird is the greatest ever to play the forward position.
So what the are you talking about, polski?
Well it is about Tim being where larry Bird is. Many people are saing he is not in the same leauge magic , Larry , Mike are.
"He is the best player now, but he is not that 100% guy who will do all to win, and he is missing important shots"
damn I'm not going to agree with that
The heroics? - This part is the most difficult to explain. Bevcause what is heroics? For me it is giving the team what the team needs. And Tim is that guy. The heroic? The impossible shots maybe?
I have no idea. The PF position is specific. Tim is not a SG who can just take an advantage from the screens go up and hit a jumper. I think pepople do not get it.
How can you explain the heroics?
The losses - Remember the 2001? Tim with his head down stareing at the floor. He just gave up. Did he? The 2001 team had the best regular record in NBA and they lost in sweep with the LA
why? Possibly Bird Magic would fight. In Tims eyes you couldn't see that look- Let's go!
timmy is the best pf to ever play the game...his accomplishments are uncanny...he has been the best pf since his rookie career...and he is only 30...lets go home now
lmao remembering 2001??? get with the program, it's 2005 and Duncan is the champ now. I'd pick Duncan over Bird anyday.
TD is already considered the best player in the L and his legend is growing and he's 29 (I dont think he's 30 yet) and he gets love from people who played before him like Magic, Sir Charles, Jerry West, Bill Russell.
I guess you are referring to the writers who cover the game, and they always clamor for style along w/ substance.
Magic, Bird, MJ had the flair to go w/ the substance.
TD's style is different, he doesnt talk smack on the court, his style is in his own, which makes him unique.
He's already won 3 ring, could win a 4 this year. Even if he doesnt win another one anymore, his place in the League's immortals is secure.
He will go down at the best PF of all time, but he's still in his prime. Greatness is something that takes a long time to dissect.
Well, then, IMO, many people are wrong. They are so wrong. If you agree with them, IMO, you are wrong, too.Many people are saing he is not in the same leauge magic , Larry , Mike are.
Apparently you (and I'm guessing those "many people" referenced above) have never seen Timmy set that jaw, get that gleam in his eye, put his head down, and play his heart out. When he gets that pissed-off "YOU are NOT going to take this away from ME" look in his eye...LOOK OUT!
(I saw that look when he came out after the half in the 7th game against the Pistons last year in the Finals...YOWEEE!)
Me too, but so what?
WTF?
One loss and we get this piece of crap thread?
This thread is the suck.
Well, the folks who are saying that are basing their memories upon highlight films. In highlight films, the great players never miss.
Well it is about Tim being where larry Bird is. Many people are saing he is not in the same leauge magic , Larry , Mike are.
"He is the best player now, but he is not that 100% guy who will do all to win, and he is missing important shots"
21-20-10-8, Game 6, 2003 Finals.The heroics? - This part is the most difficult to explain. Bevcause what is heroics? For me it is giving the team what the team needs. And Tim is that guy. The heroic? The impossible shots maybe?
That's just one.
He hit a layup at the buzzer off a great feed from Manu to eliminate the Sonics last spring. That's another.
Then there was the shot right before 0.4*.
Game 6, 2003, at the Staples Center. He absolutely dismantled Shaq.
And of course he put the team on his back in the 3rd and 4th quarters of Game 7 against the Pistons.
He's done it plenty of times, only the same heads who didn't care to watch because the Spurs aren't glamorous enough for them are complaining it didn't happen only because they were too lazy to tune in and see it happen.
So what happened when Magic's defending champion Lakers lost in the first round to a sub-.500 Kings team in 1981? Where was Magic's fight then?The losses - Remember the 2001? Tim with his head down stareing at the floor. He just gave up. Did he? The 2001 team had the best regular record in NBA and they lost in sweep with the LA
why? Possibly Bird Magic would fight. In Tims eyes you couldn't see that look- Let's go!
What was going on with Michael Jordan in the late 1980's when the Pistons defense would shut him down every year in the playoffs?
Why is it that it took the collapse of the Sixers for Larry Bird's Celtics finally to become the perennial Eastern Conference powerhouse? Where was his "fight" from 1980 to 1983?
Oh, that's right, on the highlight films they only show when the immortals won. They don't show the failures they experienced in order to get there.
These "pundits" have memories just as short as their attention span, and they're irritated that a vanilla small-market team with a bunch of strange accents is establishing a dynasty.
None of this criticism is legitimate. It is based solely upon the ignorance of those uttering the criticisms. Duncan has all the bona fides of past greats. All of them.
Wait a minute...Tim's middle name is Theodore?
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