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Assuming danny boy is correct, the US military used lethal weaponry in a war zone.
Shocking.
Nbadan, the "mixture" of phosphorous and high explosives are from different s s fired at different times, as mentioned in the prior article.
Can you mention what the military should be using white phosphorous for if they don't use it against people? Sparklers/4th of July, perhaps? By that definition, a mortar round is a chemical weapon. Any bomb or even a barrell of gunpowder is a DEFINATELY chemical weapon by that definition. Moral of the story: that is a bull definition of chemical weapon, and you know it.But it becomes a chemical weapon as soon as it is used directly against people.
Assuming danny boy is correct, the US military used lethal weaponry in a war zone.
Shocking.
Diesel is a chemical weapon because it powers the tanks that shoot people.
Deoderant is a chemical weapon because it allows troops to maintain a higher morale just before they shoot someone.
MREs are chemical weapons because they are turned into the energy needed to pull the trigger on a gun.
If a marine took a trenching tool (shovel) and killed an insurgent with it during a battle, is that a shocking use of an object that is not thought of as a lethal weapon? Yeah. Is it wrong? No!
A mortar s can be directed as precisely as possible in order to try and prevent civilian casualties. This was not the case with these phosphorus s s. They kill, horribly the innocent and well as the guilty - that is a WMD in any war zone.Can you mention what the military should be using white phosphorous for if they don't use it against people? Sparklers/4th of July, perhaps? By that definition, a mortar round is a chemical weapon. Any bomb or even a barrell of gunpowder is a DEFINATELY chemical weapon by that definition. Moral of the story: that is a bull definition of chemical weapon, and you know it.
I bet you wouldn't be able to find many people that have been killed by a phosphorous s , if even one... how many people die every year by smoke caused by cigarettes?
Is there one, single do ented case of a white phosphorous s being solely responsible for the death of its intended target?
Here is all the proof you need.
How about something from a reputable news source, like the BBC? Official millitary reports? UN?
I also have pictures on my website showing Al Gore inventing the internet.
Actually, Al Gore never said he invented the internet, but that's a completely other matter.I also have pictures on my website showing Al Gore inventing the internet.
How about something from a reputable news source, like the BBC? Official millitary reports? UN?
Yeah, like the military is gonna report something like this. I have posted links to do ented accounts from US troops who were there, who personally witnessed these 'shake and bake' attacks.
So now the BBC is a reputable source again?
^^More reputable than BeaversforGore.com, or JihadisCool.net
Same old BS, military are baby killers. Like I said in earlier post, you folks want to relive the VN war. Wars kill people. Why don't you tell us about
Yeah, like the military is gonna report something like this. I have posted links to do ented accounts from US troops who were there, who personally witnessed these 'shake and bake' attacks.
So now the BBC is a reputable source again?
what the other side is doing. Or is it okay for them to kill people at a wedding or going to work. You know like sucker punching someone. Brave souls aren't they. At least we face them face-on.
This story is totally filled with garbage. WP does not explode as compared to HE. It is not a chemical weapon at all. If a soldier drowns an insurgent in a river, is water a chemical weapon? That is no further a stretch than where you're taking this whole WP crap.US Forces 'Used Chemical Weapons' during Assault on City of Fallujah
By Peter Popham
The Independent UK
Tuesday 08 November 2005
Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quan ies of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.
Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.
On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."
The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."
In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus s s in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus s s are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.
"They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."
But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus s s were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.
In a do entary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete."
"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."
Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the s s.
A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."
The do entary, en led "Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre," also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.
Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.
The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.
No, in this case the troops are on our side. It is because of them that this story is getting out AT ALL.
Independent'I treated people who had their skin melted'
By Dahr Jamail
Published: 15 November 2005
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"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud," he said. He had seen "pieces of these bombs explode into large fires that continued to burn on the skin even after people dumped water on the burns".
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Burhan Fasa'a, a freelance cameraman working for the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC), witnessed the first eight days of the fighting. "I saw cluster bombs everywhere and so many bodies that were burnt, dead with no bullets in them," he said. "So they definitely used fire weapons, especially in Jolan district."
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Some saw what they thought were attempts by the military to conceal the use of incendiary s s. "The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah," said one ousted resident, Abdul Razaq Ismail.
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He said he saw bulldozers push soil into piles and load it on to trucks to carry away. In certain areas where the military used "special munitions" he said 200 sq m of soil was being removed from each blast site.
Look at the owners of the 'credible' M.S.M. and ask yourself why these stories aren't getting out...
# New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark, Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi
# Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette, G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan, Moody's
# Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels
# The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft, McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo
# News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments
# GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM, Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble
# Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette, Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo
# Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America
# Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target, Pepsi
# AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton
Uh, the problem is not that the story isn't getting out, it's that the story is wrong. The accusations and depictions don't make the slightest bit of sense. You seem to be skipping over that fact.
well...it depends on where you eat.It's like calling a fart a chemical weapon.
BBCThe Pentagon has confirmed that US troops used white phosphorus during last year's offensive in the northern Iraqi city of Falluja.
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC.
Col Venable denied that the substance - which can cause burning of the flesh - cons uted a banned chemical weapon.
Early this month, Italian state TV, Rai, said white phosphorus had been used against civilians in Falluja.
Col Venable told the BBC's PM programme that the US army used white incendiary munitions "primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases".
"However it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants."
And he said it had been used in Falluja, but it was "conventional munition", not a chemical weapon.
It is not "outlawed or illegal", Col Venable said.
He said a statement on the US state department denying it had been used was old and based on "poor information".
See, it was a LEGAL chemical weapon that makes it A-OK. Okey dokey.
It's NOT a chemical weapon Dan, don't you get that?
Dan, you are aware that the "dangerous gasses" released from the chemical reaction within a bomb are the cause of the damage that occurs, right?
It's not a chemical weapon because we say so? Nice logic.
Rocks and sticks are not chemical weapons, unless you throw a rock that is made of potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulfates and then set it on fire.
It's not a chemical weapon just like a dog is not a cat. By definition and function, WP is not a chemical weapon. You are sinking deeper and deeper into a hole Dan.
Oh, I get it, so botulism isn't a biological weapon either because it occurs naturally.
Wrong. The U.S. is the largest procurer of weapons in the world. New, crazy that will kill people instantly. Just because it hasn't been classified as a 'chemical weapon' or WMD yet doesn't mean it doesn't look, act, smell, and taste like a chemical weapon or WMD.
Like white phosphorous. We stole the initial technology from the Chinese back at the turn of the millenium... as in 1000 AD.New, crazy that will kill people instantly.
If you've ever had to eat a Meal Refused by Ethopians (sp?), you have no idea how true that statement is.
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