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Not even Wemby is good enough to prevent a tank - why do we think Haliburton would have been?
GettingHalliburton likely means no Wemby. We couldn’t have been bad enough.
Not even Wemby is good enough to prevent a tank - why do we think Haliburton would have been?
if this is the Wemby show the Spurs should first fix the announcing of the starting line up. From what I know, the star player is the last one out of the starting 5 to be announced, but here Wemby is 3rd and our "star" is Keldon Johnson
you're doubting Pop? He would say "you got long arms young man. You can play center"
I think on a championship contender, Wemby is number 1, Vassell could start but be our 4th option. Tre could be sharing backup point duties with another veteran PG. Maybe McDermott and/or Osman 10th and/or 11th in the rotation. Collins as the backup big, with another wiley vet. Collins is the only guy playing with heart right now (other than Osman) and that counts for something.Maybe Johnson keeps a backup role, but I'm not sure. Not sold on Sochan this year at all, but maybe if he gets to play his natural position my thoughts will change. He's so inconsistent and some of that compe ive fire isn't there right now. No one else on the roster feels like they belong on a contender.
So basically we have 5 or 6 guys and only two starters. The 2nd and 3rd members of the new big 3 aren't on the team yet, unless by some miracle Vassell grows into that role and figures out how to stay on the floor.
We need 7 guys and two all-star level starters. This team has some work to do.
The Spurs lost a coin toss with Houston, and that's how they won the lottery. A difference of one game would have changed the outcome.
if this is the Wemby show the Spurs should first fix the announcing of the starting line up. From what I know, the star player is the last one out of the starting 5 to be announced, but here Wemby is 3rd and our "star" is Keldon Johnson
I noticed that too. It’s only more stupidity, from an organization that’s gone stupid in nearly every way.
When’s the last time the Spurs did something smart? Serious question. I’m trying to remember….. Surely there’s something.
Getting an unprotected pick swap for Reggie Bullock and some seconds a couple of months ago was pretty amazing.
That was when they acquired Bullock in connection with the Grant Williams trade. The Spurs facilitated the Williams trade. The Mavs moved Bullock to the Spurs so they could bring in Williams from the Celtics.
The Spurs got a 2030 1st round pick swap, which does them no good at all for trying to build around Wemby in the near future. The Spurs also gave up some picks. They traded a 2024 second rd pick to the Celtics. (The team NEEDS near-term picks.) They also gave up a 2025 second rd pick to the Mavs, (the team NEEDS near-term picks,) and a 2028 second rd pick to the Mavs.
Then the Spurs just waived Bullock with no return. So as far as players for the Spurs, they got nothing (for a roster that NEEDS players.) The Rockets signed Bullock off waivers. The Rockets have some extra second rd picks for the next couple drafts, btw.
In short:
1) The Spurs gained a distant 1st rd pick swap that’s worthless for building around Wemby.
2) They gave up two near-term 2nd rd picks, which might have been used more intelligently near the trade deadline or near the draft, if the Spurs weren’t going to use the picks themselves.
3) They “gained” a player who wasn’t useful, and just waived him, and he was then signed by a team that has some extra 2nd rd picks, near term.
None of that looks smart to me.
Now you’re just moving the goalposts. Getting a FRP swap, no matter when it is, and it’s actually probably better that it’s down the line, just for dead cap space that they must use anyway is smart. You’re just pissed off and hating.
None of that was smart.
Sure it was, if you understand what renting cap space is about. It’s not about acquiring a positive asset. If Bullock were such a player, they wouldn’t send an unprotected FRP swap with him. He’s dead money that we have to spend to hit the salary floor, and he was designed to be cut from day one,just like Payne and the other guy from the Cleveland trade. So, we combined 3 of like 17 SRPs that we have out to the trade horizon in 2030 into an unprotected FRP, and used cap space that we had to. Smart.
The Spurs gained nothing short term and THAT should be the focus
Let's not act like Wemby isn't a franchise changer or didn't already raised the franchise value more than 1 billion
Spurs taking care of 2030 instead of 2023-24-25
Wemby is really unlucky to have ended up in SA tbh
Nonsense. If Doncic leaves Dallas that swap becomes an insanely valuable trade piece to get someone to put next to Wemby in his prime. And if Doncic stays it still gives the Spurs the ability to offer someone the better of two picks to build around Wemby. And who gives a about seconds? The Spurs have a billion of them. But if you want another example, can go with getting two unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap for a guy Murray they apparently weren't going to give a max contract to. Plus the two Charlotte seconds since you're so hung up on seconds. How about trading Thaddeus Young for a first? Getting a first out of Chicago when they were happy to let DeRozan walk for nothing? Ac ulating firsts is how you make trades for stars.
Spurs are still set up decently long term with all the picks they have, and with two unprotected first plus two unprotected pick swaps plus one pick swap only protected against #1. That's an enormous amount of draft capital they can do really interesting things with to put a supporting cast around Victor as he grows plus whatever they can get out of the Toronto pick and their own this summer.
Good God man. You must be the life of the party!
Wemby is fine, this team will look radically different in his third year, which is when he’ll be really good. Let’s not act like Wemby doesn’t have a long way to go still, if even just in terms of getting stronger physically.
I'm fine with the process, even tanking etc
I just don't get that FO thought they didn't need veterans or skilled passers
It's imposing an unnecessary handicap on their futur franchise player who has a target on his bck every games
I've never seen that in any franchise
It was not smart. Which of these is smart:
Use salary space on a useful player, or, use salary space on a useless player?
Hint, useful is better than useless.
Your answer?
^ THIS
So, you’re fine with tanking, but you don’t understand it at all. You don’t go get positive assets, veteran or otherwise, that might accidentally cause you to win more games than you would have without them.
That’s only if you view players as the only assets in a trade. Not smart, to quote you.
Who were these marvelous players who were available for cheap? Because if you aren’t going to accrue assets, you damn well not be spending them on short term pieces.
Who says no:
SAS: Garland
CLE: Keldon, Tre, Branham, and a FRP
Cleveland bets on Mitc at the PG, and gets much needed depth and balance to their roster. Spurs get their PG of the future, move Sochan to his natural position, and still have assets to replenish any SG/SF needs they may have traded away.
Garland
Vassell
Sochan
Wemby
Collins
Our bench is , but it’s not like it’s great now anyway.
You can tank constuctively
Cleveland says no. They will trade Mitc not Garland
If cows flew like jet fighters you could fly cows off aircraft carriers. Whee. Moo.
Nobody knows how things will be in 2030. But we do know that the Spurs need to be building around Victor in the very near future. Even now.
If Spurs seconds are so worthless, why did the Celtics and Mavs even want them, and why couldn’t the Spurs get a second for Bullock when they decided not to keep him?
But if you want another example, can go with getting two unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap for a guy Murray …
Atlanta initiated that because Trae Young wanted Murray.
Getting rid of players is not the point now. Getting players is.
It would be smart of the Spurs FO to initiate something, and get a useful player. You don’t agree?
Failing to get useful players, now, is not smart.
…Ac ulating firsts is how you make trades for stars.
Making trades for stars is done by making trades for stars.
Trading away players, and tanking, is not being “smart.” Any FO could do that. Any of them. A Jr High School chess club could do it, easily.
A smart FO is one that can build a good team. The Spurs FO has a long way to go to prove they’re anywhere close to being smart.
Brian Wright’s record as GM:
32-39
33-39
34-48
22-60
3-11, so far
Not much sign of smarts there, so far. Cross your fingers.
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