The thing is, he’s not currently eligible for the SuperMax. He’d need an MVP, DPOY, or All NBA team appearance.
The Kings are light on second rounders since they don't have one in 2025, 2028, 2030 so a bundle of second rounders should also be included.
People do have a point about Fox though. Only one year of being an elite top 12ish player. More of a top 30 guy two out of the last three years.
This is an offseason trade, at best. There’s absolutely no way Sacramento is letting Fox right now.
You’re probably right. Better for spurs anyway.
The Spurs organic pathway to get an elite top 12 player has disappeared. They won’t be bad enough to be in the top 5 of the draft, and they’ll have to get really, really lucky to with that pick regardless since picking in the top 5 isn’t a guarantee (look at Risacher and Sarr who look like scrubs). The Spurs need to strike at some point and this might be the closest they’ll get to sniff a player of Fox’s caliber.
The Spurs getting into the high lottery again means Castle would have busted, and I doubt anyone wants that tbh.
I want Fox for the record as holding other teams picks continues to look overrated.
Looking at Fox's counting stats he's been a chucker of late taking 20+ shots a game over the past two years. Only 6 assists per game feels disappointing for a PG of Fox's caliber.
Still tho we could only dream that Castle of Vessel could ever turn into this type of player. Go get him if you can.
For the 27 YeAR OLd iS TOo OlD nonsense
I make my point again that if we had the 27 year old version of Chris Paul right now, it would be game over the league. Let me make it clear that Fox isn’t on the level of a 27 year old Paul, but he’s good enough to where we’d just add one more nice piece (or one of our current ones become one) and it would still be “game over” for the league.
Interested to watch this one play out.
Financially, KJ, Zollins and Tre J (and obviously significant draft capital) for Fox and Huerter works.
How this most likely plays out is nothing happens because the Spurs are conservative about what they want to give up. Then the few who are against this deal will frame it as if the Spurs were never interested without any clue what goes on behind closed doors. The truth could be is that the Spurs really, really want Fox and get close to a deal for him but last minute greed by the Kings causes them to reject it and go with something else. It’s like when people here pretend that the Spurs were never considering Salaun because it didn’t fit their narrative when there was plenty of signs they were.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...inked-to-kings
According to Amick and Slater, Fox's agent Rich Paul was present at the Kings' loss to the Lakers in order to speak with general manager Monte McNair and assistant general manager Wes Wilcox about their "plan" for the franchise....
According to Amick and Slater, Fox hasn't asked for a trade but is "reading the room in Sacramento before deciding what comes next" when his current contract expires following the 2025-26 season.
for vassell straight up sounds good but not if he wants the max.. he ain't a player you give the farm.
That might not even be enough. Castle has been a net negative the last couple of games and it hasn't turned us into a bottom feeding team. We'll need Castle to bust and Wemby to miss considerable time to get back into the high lotto. We might get lucky with ping pong balls and turn a late lotto pick into a Top 4 selection, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time hoping for that to happen.
Yeah I was more pointing to the seasons after this one. Castle needs to make a leap by next year. None of that year 3 crap. He has shown enough promise so far this season to expect that out of him besides being the 4th pick in the draft. If he is not a top 2 or top 3 player on next year’s roster, then he’s a bust and we should then be expecting a high pick out of our natural one for years to come.
but that isn’t the likely trajectory of the team right now. We’ve been floating at .500 so far and we’re likely to end the season around 40 wins. If that happens, next year’s win total won’t be less (a big part of it will be because of Castle). We’re not going to have a losing season again.
He's not likely to be supermax eligible so will likely cost a 30% max deal. The wildcard I guess would be if in summer 2026 he signed a two year deal with an opt out after the first year to position himself for a 35% max deal in the summer of 2027 when he'd have ten years in the league.
Yeah, I'm talking about future seasons too. I think we can afford for one of Castle, Vassell or Sochan to be absolutely zeros in the future and still not have it result in us being a high lotto team so long as Wemby is healthy. I agree with you, it's time for us to stop thinking that the draft is going to be our pathway to finish building out the team.
I love this thread because it's another opportunity for the usual populations to come out of the woodwork:
1) The "I think they should accept our trash" folks, and
2) The "he's not perfect enough for me... so therefor I think he sucks... but I love Branham" brigade
The expected 10% compounded yearly boosts in the cap from the new TV deal really change the calculus of offering long term deals IMO. Like I pointed out earlier, a five year 30% max offer for Fox even with max raises is about 24.5% of the cap in year five. For comparison's sake Devin is making 20.9% of the cap right now.
To be fair if Fox tells them he's gone that could be pretty realistic, being another Kawhi situation. It's usually what happens when a star with a year left on his deal wants out.
tbh, Spurs the only team who's really gotten screwed this way. PHI still got a decent return for Harden (3 FRP), POR still got a nice return for Dame (effectively 3 FRP after they flipped Jrue), etc.
I assume they are faxing the paperwork to the league office as we speak now.
In fairness the injury was a major headwind and leverage point against the spurs
CP3 will probably ask to be traded to a serious playoff contender before the trade deadline.
Yeah, not trying to knock the Spurs... just saying that the "they have to accept our trash because the player has demanded a trade" has never really played out as dramatically as people want to hope for
Not so sure many teams would want him tbh (unless he’s waived). Too much of a defensive liability and simply can’t create separation on offense with regularity at this age. There was a reason he “choose” the Spurs.
Honestly Vassell fits the team better. We need shooters. Just don't like fitting Fox in and losing Vassell. I don't think the Spurs will go hard in for Fox. They'll be patient, and Castle has shown promise as a lead guard.
I prefer Garland and Tre over Fox tbh, even though Fox might be better, maybe? Probably not.
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