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Devin isn't going anywhere I assume. Hopefully whoever coaches next year can find his proper role. A tangent, but I think if Wemby actually had some go to moves Devin wouldn't be trying to take over like he does.
No problem switching Champ and Dev but he still be overpaid even if he found success as the 6th man. Guys like Jordan Clarkson and D-Lo can provide better scoring options off the bench way cheaper.You missed my point. I wasn’t comparing Manu and Devin per se, but the 6th man role. This coaching staff seems to be in that too common perception that if you’re the highest paid player, you should be starting, or if you’re the 2nd or 3rd option, you should be in the starting line-up. And that’s from the organization that arguably had the best 6th man ever. Grow some cajones and start Champ, because he compliments Wemby’s game better. I shouldn’t be spelling this out for you
Devin isn't going anywhere I assume. Hopefully whoever coaches next year can find his proper role. A tangent, but I think if Wemby actually had some go to moves Devin wouldn't be trying to take over like he does.
The whole team still plays undisciplined basketball tbh.
The tanking years were filled with just "run fast, throw the ball around, and hope for easy buckets" which works sometimes but also...well, piles up a lot of losses.
They've gotten better this year, but those habits are hard to break. And we still have a LOT of players on the team from those tanking years. That seems to be where Sochan "thrives" but it's not sustainable.
It definitely shows up in crunch time when you need to play smart basketball. And yes, Wemby is guilty of this too.
Last edited by Dex; 01-05-2025 at 07:54 PM.
Sochan should definitely come off the bench and Castle should be starting. Lots of us have wanted Castle starting every game since pre-season tbh
And we played this dude at ing point guard for a year and a half
No, it was only 18 games.And we played this dude at ing point guard for a year and a half
The experiment was over the 3rd of Dec, barely lasted a month and still used as an excuse by the sniffers to his slow development.And we played this dude at ing point guard for a year and a half
Feel like with Sochan having a prominent role on the team it effectively hard caps our team's potential offense into being avg or even sub par at best. Castle isn't a better shooter right now but teams at least somewhat treat him as if he is (granted that will change as they play more games). The hope is that Castle can develop his shooting because Sochan sure isn't going to.
Having capable to elite shooters at every position is the recipe for a top 5 offense. The hardest piece to find is a legit rim protecting big that can hit 3s and we have that, why do we have to settle for non-shooters at other positions?
The spurs obviously know Sochan and Castle can’t both start. Sochan is starting now, but I’m sure if castle was not a rookie, the roles would be reversed.
But Sochan is not the reason the spurs lost those 12 games. Playing one-way guys like Keldon, Collins, and Vassell a ton of minutes is the biggest cause of this team’s problems
Yea I get Sochan starting. The Spurs are giving Jeremy every opportunity to prove himself/earn the extension he deserves (good or bad). Drastically reducing his role this season after giving him so many minutes his first 2 seasons would seem like a blatant attempt to suppress his value. I just *hope* the front office isn't enamored with his improved counting stats (pts/rebounds) and realizes how difficult building a potential top 5 offense will be if Sochan is a main cog. That being said, after his fast start his stats have been on a downward trajectory right back towards his career averages so perhaps his extension won't be too inflated.
I agree that Keldon and Collins are lost causes and far bigger issues than Sochan when it comes to winning basketball games right now, but the record with and without Sochan is not just a statistical anomaly imo. I would be curious to see offensive ratings compared between the games with and without him. I am still holding out hope that Vassell is trying to find his rhythm and acclimate to Wemby's ascension as well as Chris Paul, but that may be too optimistic. Offensively he is probably better suited to being a 3rd option who can get hot, problem is that role is ideally filled by someone who is stronger defensively/more complete offensively. Maybe 6th man is something he should be open to in the not too distant future.
They have top 3 defense with him starting non garbage time though. Can they really be a top 5 offense without a top 5 perimeter player. I feel like chasing an offensive juggernaut build for this team is futile.
OKC has the best defense in the league but it is more a stream of good to great perimeter defenders. SAS top 2-3 defense is just Wemby-Sochan completely shutting down primary actions.
lol he'll get 120/5
It's really not Sochan or the other players.
It's who put all these players on the same team that's the problem. Wright?
Sochan, KD, Champagnie Collins, etc...we should only have one of these types. Personally, I like KD. Only one of these guys that can actually drive to the bucket. No D, but only Sochan has D. Which is the real problem. But having them all on the same team...wtf are the SPURS thinking? No way you're gonna have a great team with so many below average/mediocre players. This is more reflective of a bad front office.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 01-06-2025 at 06:53 AM.
Arguably one of the worst posts I've seen on this forum.
Are you trolling? Sochan is a deeply flawed player, but he's most definitely a positive defender.
Champagnie is the only role player we have who's a positive on both ends of the floor. Our only textbook shooter.
Keldon (I assume KD is Keldon) and Collins are garbage, but to say Champagnie is bad means you're not even watching the games.
Hyperbole much? lol
Champagnie is a horrible defender. Maybe the worst on a team of bad defenders. Devon obviously being the worst. But, yeah, not a horrible 3 point shooter. And you're right. Sochan is actually a good defender and I amended my post to say so. But, he's also a serious problem on offense. Worst hands on the team. Running around getting a lotta garbage shots, but getting in everyone else way doing it. Below NBA average players, both of them.
Lmao.
Obviously point guards have inflated metric in here, but Champagnie has the best net rating out of any SG/SF/PF on our roster.
He's our best and most important role player this season because he's a solid enough defender and most importantly he can shoot.
These are some worrisome figures for sure. I do appreciate his abilities to clean up some of the garbage on the offensive end, but how many of those opportunities come from him being there in the first place. If he’s on the perimeter then his guard is allowed to sag off and double team the ball. This scenario creates garbage shots and difficult passes, and the guy(Jeremy) not getting guarded has the easiest path to clean up the mess. May be why his numbers sometimes look good. No need to go into his being in the way at the end of quarters, which I blame on the coaches having him on the court. That said, I’d be ok with him in a rotation role. Just need a smaller contract.
This post...has so much stupid in it I can hardly believe the poster watches the games.
When I said it, ppl were on my ass... We are better without him... He should be traded while he has value... At the very least he should come off the bench
He's still not very good. I can't believe he hasn't already been benched.
nah...Something around what patrick williams got with the bulls this past summer.5 years 90 million.
Hes got worst at shooting and seems to be getting injured more often.And his fit next to wemby is still a big question mark.
I fear that Sochan remains on the team when we are in the playoffs. His low-IQ, no-shooting ways could seriously hamper the team's chances.
He's kind of an X-factor type, and he might excel in that position. I wouldn't bet the farm on that, though. I personally don't see a spot for him in the SL of a team with championship aspirations.
He could be a great energy guy, defensive agitator behind a much stronger all-around player.
I could see Castle being a reliable starter on a playoff team in 3 years.
he has a tendency to want to do less and play a role, he needs to be helped to become a true scorer, which he absolutely can be.
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