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He is more likely to get a KJ type deal versus a DV like overpay.
This is the biggest elephant in the room right now and that's going back to last season, tbh. As much as we harp on Vassell's uneven play, Sochan and his skillset have proved to be more replaceable for this team. The last 24 hours was Exihibit A of how our offense gets clunky with him and how that triggers a cascading effect on an already flawed roster.
Good guy, but I am just not ready to commit big money to him for his coming extension short of a miraculous shooting transformation. Players of his archetype get schemed out of the rotation entirely in the playoffs. Spurs have a really tricky choice..
He is more likely to get a KJ type deal versus a DV like overpay.
I told yall Sochan should be off the bench but everyone said I was a hater. The Spurs have the best bench unit in the league. The problem is that we are starting them.
Starters need to be Wemby, Champ, Barnes, Castle, CP3
Don't count on that.
The spurs hold on to their draft picks and it looks like they have him locked in as the future starting PF and they have been known to over pay to keep players on board.
We would still be told how great Primo is going to be had he not sabotaged his career.
Should they pay him? No. Will they pay him? Yes.
Not being able to shoot should be the end of the road for him in this era of basketball. But he is a nice guy. Casual fans love him “green hair”’. He brings vibes/culture of whatever cliche we’re using. At some point you’d hope the talent level on the team gets better to the point he’s not really needed.
20 million a year or under.Stop giving charity contracts.First keldon then collins,Now vassell.Its gotta stop.
Hes also got worst at shooting,Which is bad news for his growth in the future.
Agree. Mitch needs to grow cajones to start Castle and Champ over Devin and Sochan. And maybe play some Mamu too. If they’re going to let Porter score 28, then try to score at the other side. Mamu I’m sure could’ve grabbed the same amount of rebounds plus scoring inside and out instead of Sochan’s 5 pts in 4 field goal attempts.
I’m beginning to think Mitch is a very limited coach and cannot see outside the box.
Playing Tre-Vassell-Keldon-Sochan is a reasonable bench lineup. In the thread about net ratings of different lineups, the Tre-Vassell-Keldon-Sochan-Wemby closing lineup last year had one of the highest net ratings in the league last season. Those four have experience playing together, subs uting Collins/Bassey for Wemby obviously makes a huge difference but it's still reasonable to play a group that has had historical success together.
This is still a flawed roster and noone except Wemby and I guess CP3 should have guaranteed starting spot or heavy minutes.
Nuggets didn't have Gordon and there was absolutely no need for Mitch to start Jeremy. We need Jeremy against big, physical teams. We'll need Jeremy against Bucks and Lakers because everyone else would get killed by Giannis/Lebron. It's not like Jeremy will stop them, but he's got a better chance to slow them down than anyone else.
Against teams with no such wings, we don't need him because he's too much of a negative on offense.
To me it really feels like we have too many useful, but not enough legit players. Mitch doesn't have the authority to make tough decisions and we need some trades to consolidate power.
I understand that Keldon has some strengths, he's a good offensive rebounder and gets to the rim better than anyone else, but him bringing the ball up and initiating offense is just garbage.
We don't need him, despite his strengths.
Much like we don't need this version of Vassell, despite his fancy dunks.
What also gets me is that our non-Wemby lineups are so horrible. Even if Vassell's development was ideal, he should be playing with the bench because noone else can score reliably.
He needs to be out there with them and lead that unit, even if he starts.
I don’t how an organization who retired Manu, a Hofer and one of the Big 3, cannot see Devin at 6th man role. Champ was freaking thriving scoring career-highs and a perfect compliment to Wemby with his quick-release, rebounding and much improved defense. Castle likewise can minimize his mistakes playing along CP3, on top of arguably the best POA defender of the team. Dude can disrupt the flow of opponents offense with his on-your-face defense.
CP3, Champ, Castle, Barnes, Wemby
Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Collins/Bassey.
That’s a very balanced rotation. And a much better 2nd squad. I would even play Wesley and Mamu here and there to give different looks as both are high motor guys. Sadly, Mitch is too much of a green-horn and couldn’t make big-boy decisions
I don’t know where the DV Manu comparison comes from. They have virtually nothing in common. Manu could give you a little bit and sometimes alot of wahtever you needed on any given night. Vassell just can’t. He can't handle the ball, is a poor distributor, terrible defender and needs consistent touches to be an offensive threat. He is anti Manu.
Clearly a taboo topic for a lot of Spurs fans, who automatically counter this by "you're a hater" or "you don't know bb" or "look at his improved stats" ... smh
The poorness of this roster has lead to give roles/PT undeservedly and prevent some players to work on their limitations and have to win their starting spot.
Sochan's issue is far from only his shooting, it's his overall lack of BBIQ, lack of feeling, touch or ability to pass that kills all ambition of "beautiful game" of just fluid as we can see when he's absent.
He manages to have decent stats bc he's spoon-fed with easy buckets most of the time. He can't create a shot by himself or shoot when wide open...
Yesterday again he missed Wemby wide open multiple times and it ended costing the momentum (among other issues of course)
Plus he just looks stupid. Couple looking stupid with having a low basketball IQ and that's bad.
I don't think they need Sochan against big teams because they always have him defending guards. Barnes is better against bigs.
Sochan spends his time guarding Murray, guarding Luka, guarding Brunson, Anthony Edwards etc
Sochan is too small and plays too weak to check real bigs. That's why Castle blends in so smoothly in his place, he guards the same players.
They have him or Castle on opposition's best player, I think Castle should start in games like last night's with no physical wings.
Barnes has no chance to stay in front of downhill wings like Lebron or Giannis.Barnes is better against bigs.
Mike Jimenez is at it again
Tough call if I'd rather the Spurs use a Fox trade to clean up the mistake they already made with Vassell or instead pre-emptively clean up the mistake they're going to make with Sochan.
Expand the trade. Send them Sochan, they can send us back Murray. Someone go block the internet in Sacramento so their team can't look up how stupid of them it would be for them to do this.
Most of the loss are from the beginning of the season when Wemby was not playing well coming from a busy summer
But yes Sochan’s shooting is hurting the team and I’d rather have Castle starting.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Sochan is a 2&D forward. Dont mind him when he's only getting paid 5-6M but the moment he starting getting 20M he becomes another KJ/Zollins/Dev player.
I'd shop Sochan over the summer and look to draft his replacement and hit the reset button at PF. Jarace Walker/Sochan/Salaun types are in every draft. Heck you could even throw in guys like Alex Sarr, Matas and Cody Williams in this category more broadly.
If Fox never hits the trade market and Zion does I'd love to offer Sochan to the Pels as a part of a Zion package.
Starting lineup with Castle seems to pass the eye test for me. I know that’s vague tbh lol
You missed my point. I wasn’t comparing Manu and Devin per se, but the 6th man role. This coaching staff seems to be in that too common perception that if you’re the highest paid player, you should be starting, or if you’re the 2nd or 3rd option, you should be in the starting line-up. And that’s from the organization that arguably had the best 6th man ever. Grow some cajones and start Champ, because he compliments Wemby’s game better. I shouldn’t be spelling this out for you
What do ppl see a Sochan extension like when he becomes eligible this summer?
My ceiling for Sochan has always been that of a high energy role player who’s value comes from the defensive end of the floor, rebounding and getting garbage points around the rim. He still isn’t where I hoped he would get to defensively and will always have situational limitations depending on roster construction. I’d start at 3yrs/36mm and would go as high as 4yr/60mm if he really puts it together the second half of the year in a playoff push. I could see the PATFO rewarding him closer to 4yr/80mm however and that worries me.
Sochan is obviously part of the future in the FO’s eyes especially with the 3rd year leap he’s having. The problem is the way his minutes are being utilized. I agree with the others here that he and Dev can be very good bench players. Devin can be a 6th man on a contender and Sochan can be a glue-guy defensive specialist.
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